I found the following information here; http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200011227
Rosa brunonii is a very variable species in all its characters but especially in the indumentum of stems and leaves, size and shape of leaflets as well as in number and size of flowers. In practice forms with pubescent stems and narrow pubescent leaflets are considered to be ‘typical’ Rosa brunonii, While forms with glabrous stems and glabrous, broader leaflets are often separated as Rosa moschata Herrm. In spite of its variability all available Pakistani specimens (at hand) represent, in my opinion, one well-defined species and its dividing seems to be fully artificial. Rosa moschata Herrm. was described in 1762 based on specimens cultivated in Europe but it is said to be of Asiatic, Persian origin. The identity of European Rosa moschata with the roses cultivated in south-west Asia remains, however, an open question. After having seen numerous specimens of the species collected in Pakistan and Kashmir, I suppose that all cultivated specimens from Afghanistan and Iran, identified earlier by me as Rosa moschata(Zieliński 1982), represent in fact Rosa brunonii, changed in cultivation by mutations, crossing and/or selection. According to G. S. Thomas (1983, Climbing roses old and new) the ‘true’ Rosa moschata blossoms in summer and autumn. Among available rather rich material from Pakistan and neighbouring countries I have found no specimen flowering later than in May (-June). > On 02-May-2015, at 10:05 am, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you Dr Singh. I will go look at the young shoots today and get some > pictures. They are just beginning to flower so the floering season overlaps. > I will carry a ruler and measure the leaves/petals as well. Would you say > from the pictures that these prickles we have are strongly hooked? I have no > reference for the straight ones. Do we have photos of R. moschata prickles? > > I see the rachis and petiole are pubescent in the pictures but leaves look > glabrous underneath but I will have a closer look today keeping these keys in > mind. > > Thank you once again for taking the time for a detailed comparison. > > Warm regards, > Ashwini > > >> On 02-May-2015, at 9:29 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> These are the characters I had digged out while fixing rose growing in >> Srinagar, Kashmir. They have often been confused in the past. R. brunonii is >> much more commoner in Himalayas, R. moschata rarer, mostly planted. >> >> Rosa brunonii R. moschata >> >> 1. Young branches, leaves beneath, petiole 1.Young shoots, >> petioles, rachis, leaves beneath >> and rachis pubescent. except >> midrib glabrous. >> 2. Prickles strong hooked 2. Prickles >> straight or slightly curved >> 3. Leaves elliptic-lanceolate, 2.5-5 cm long 3. Leaves ovate to >> elliptic-lanceolate, 2-7 cm long >> 4. Flowers usually more than 10 4. Flowers usually >> more than 10. >> 5. Early flowering, mostly April-May 5. Late flowering, >> mostly May-June >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ <http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/> >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/> >> >> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> This is a stand-alone shrub about 6-8 ft tall and a similar spread. The >> stalks are prickly, leaves pinnate (7 to 9 on one). The leaf stalk has small >> thorns below but has none above. The buds appear at the end of the branches >> in groups. My limited experience says that it is Rosa moschata but I could >> be confusing it with R. brunonii. Please advise. >> >> Rosa moschata (Musk Rose)–Please confirm. >> Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP >> 1750m >> 1 May 2015 >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> <IMG_8592_01May15iPhone.jpg><IMG_8597_01May15.jpg><IMG_8602_01May15iPhone.jpg><IMG_8607_01May15iPhone.jpg><IMG_8608_01May15iPhone.jpg><IMG_8612_01May15iPhone.jpg> >> <_MG_4842_01May15.jpg><_MG_4845_01May15.jpg><_MG_4848_01May15.jpg><_MG_4852_01May15.jpg> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix >> <http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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