---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 16:40
Subject: Re: [itpmods:13634] Could we think of restoring interactions on
efloraofindia?
To: itpmods <itpm...@googlegroups.com>
Yes Pankaj you are right on many things
My quota of 5,000 on Facebook is over, so I can't take any more. My wife
keeps on getting requests from my friends as she has my first name in the
middle of her name, keeps on asking me who this one is?. Don't think Garg
ji that I am disappointed with not getting likes or praises, as Pankaj
pointed out we have passed that age. I was only warning the moderators of
the situation that activity in the group may not totally die out, which I
am visualizing in near future. I admire your great dedication in compiling
database, and wish others may join you to complete this great job, but my
aim is on future. We may not reach a stage when we say ......there was an
email group known as efloraofindia......The groups run with actively
participating members. It was my duty to issue a warning, it is up to
members to take it seriously or not.
When I open my gmail in the morning (in fact it remains open whole
day, as I open multiple tabs), 98 % of mails are about garg ji updating a
page or knowing/confirming id of a disputed plant, to which also I don't
find expected response, and hardly any new uploads other than odd ones by
Saroj ji or Aarti ji.
Wish members take it more seriously than they do presently.
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089
https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1
On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 4:06 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, a single dedicated individual like Saroj ji can make so much of a
> difference with the support of our team.
>
> On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 15:53, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I truly understand Gurcharan sirs point and so agree that interactions
>> have went down. However I will never compare our group with a Facebook
>> group. I can’t say all but I estimate that almost 60% of people there have
>> no idea and they don’t understand what’s going on. Some are even addicted
>> to Facebook. If I make one response I get ten friendship request on
>> Facebook. So much so that they even send. Add request to my fiancé and she
>> asks me if I know them.
>> Many of them copy paste. People like Gurcharan sir many other members of
>> this group are not looking for praises, they have crossed that period of
>> their life and only looking to help others selflessly. So I would say don’t
>> get disheartened.
>> As for activity on our group I had been at the same speed long time back
>> and I used to comment on others but then I made some mistakes and realised
>> that I should not be trying to guess plant names which I have less idea
>> about. I work on Orchidaceae and I have a bit of knowledge of Thismiaceae
>> so I focus on these (never got anything from second family).
>> I also have no words for Garg sir who takes so much time meticulously
>> sending id requests to particular members and organising each family one by
>> one. I don’t think I have such patience and capabilities. As for my side I
>> can assure that I will try to be more active. Although I never liked thank
>> you replies so I never sent or replied.
>> Kudos to all members who have kept on the speed and we are not just a
>> team but a family, and we will always be.
>> I really wish to mention here the DANADAN contribution of Saroj sir. He
>> is such a restless guy posting pictures almost every day. I seriously can’t
>> do that!! We should name him DANADAN POSTER ON EFLORAOFINDIA!!
>> Thanks and regards
>> Pankaj
>>
>> On Saturday, February 29, 2020, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <kasajusa...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 09:31
>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:344063] Fwd: [itpmods:13627] Could we think
>>> of restoring interactions on efloraofindia?
>>> To: <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rightly said Mr. Garg,
>>>
>>> Bhagbat Gita says : कर्मण्येवाधिकारस्ते मा फलेषु कदाचन । मा
>>> कर्मफलहेतुर्भुर्मा ते संगोऽस्त्वकर्मणि !
>>>
>>> Still human nature expects some acknowledgements and interactions
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>> On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 9:08 am, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 08:52
>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:13627] Could we think of restoring interactions
>>>> on efloraofindia?
>>>> To: itpmods <itpm...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Singh ji and others for your valuable inputs.
>>>> I think need of the hour is to change ourselves. I think following
>>>> changes in approach is required:
>>>> 1. *To be satisfied by posting (without expecting many thank you
>>>> mails)* with the promise that it will appear in our database and will
>>>> be looked into by hundreds of people all over the world over a period of
>>>> time (although again without thank you mails) and mistakes, if any, will be
>>>> noticed and rectified over a period of time (if not immediately). Today,
>>>> if any resource is more seen all over the world, it is efloraofindia (as
>>>> far as Indian resources are concerned). Thank you mails are a two way
>>>> sword. Although it may encourage the posting member, it may distract others
>>>> by making them see the same material again and again, every time thank you
>>>> mail is posted.
>>>> 2. *Post high resolution/ original images*,* for seeing minute details
>>>> like those (or better) seen in large resolution specimens*. This way
>>>> these valuable images will never be lost. Future publications all over the
>>>> world may like to rely more on efloraofindia, if such details are available
>>>> (may be without giving any credit directly to it, being a secondary
>>>> source). We have no issue as far as size is concerned except that it has to
>>>> be less than 8 Mb to be posted on the group. Saroj ji has already done a
>>>> great job in this regard.
>>>> 3. *To get more and more serious members (those who post complete
>>>> details) to post on the group*.* One way is to help with quick ids and
>>>> another is to make all out efforts so that difficult ids are finally nailed
>>>> even in a larger time frame. For this, any of the experts on the group may
>>>> help as and when he can spare time*. I have the feeling that actual
>>>> constructive output has never gone down, but in fact increased over a
>>>> period of time. This may be attributed to the fact that we now have a large
>>>> database with textual and photographic keys along with other details.
>>>> Thanks to the earlier contributions by hundreds of our valuable members. If
>>>> all the ids get settled in say seven days time, I may get more time to sort
>>>> out more and more genera every month in our site and make comparative
>>>> images with keys along with rectifying the wrong identifications (*This
>>>> job can also be taken up by any of the experts/ members*, but so far
>>>> no one has come forward except some efforts made by Chadwell ji in the
>>>> past. What any of the experts can do is look at all the species in a genus
>>>> in our site and point out mistakes, if any wrong identifications. This job
>>>> has now become easier as most of the images on our site are already
>>>> displayed above every thread).
>>>>
>>>> In this group, all the selfless contributions are duly recognised and
>>>> kept on record for posterity, for members to be more satisfied and they can
>>>> boast of such work in any forum.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 20:49, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur <
>>>> anilthakur2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sir, I was busy with my other assignments.
>>>>> I'll surely start interacting again after 2-3 months.
>>>>>
>>>>> We always enjoy your posts whenever get time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 28 Feb, 2020, 7:58 PM Nidhan Singh, <nidhansingh...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Gurcharan Sir,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with your views, that the interactions on this forum have
>>>>>> drastically declined, and it is Garg Ji who keep on interacting, despite
>>>>>> all the limitations..
>>>>>> He is making best efforts to manage the huge data gathered in due
>>>>>> course of time, and certainly it is boosted by small number of new
>>>>>> posts...
>>>>>> but this is nothing to feel pleased of..!!
>>>>>> Saroj Ji keep postings on, you have also restarted after a long gap,
>>>>>> Dinesh Ji too keep on posting every now and then.. many members,
>>>>>> including
>>>>>> myself, have gone silent due to one or the other reasons...!!
>>>>>> I always wished for restoration of interactions, as you have desired,
>>>>>> but I remember that even in the most interactive phase, only few members
>>>>>> kept on interacting on regular basis..compared to the total number of
>>>>>> members..!!
>>>>>> As said by Tapas Ji, if any of the post remains
>>>>>> unresponsive/unattended, the poster certainly feels bad..and it must be
>>>>>> avoided, if possible..!!
>>>>>> Having discussed the problem, I now wish that we come out with some
>>>>>> suggestions or decision about sharing of responsibilities...and for the
>>>>>> time being, we should accept this platform as it is, because it is not
>>>>>> openly interactive like facebook groups..who knows the technical
>>>>>> advancement offers some newer versions/options to make the deliberations
>>>>>> instantly publicised/appreciated..
>>>>>> Being open has its disadvantages too..
>>>>>> I personally see my inbox as frequently as I see facebook
>>>>>> posts..though I may not be able to respond as frequently as clicking the
>>>>>> like button of FB..
>>>>>> All I know is, interacting on eFI is far better than any of the
>>>>>> facebook activities..Let us hope to resume the action....!!
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>
>>>>
>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia
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>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian
>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group
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>>>> Efloraofindia
>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species
>>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than
>>>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19).
>>>>
>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource
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>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc.
>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as
>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
>>>>
>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of
>>>> India'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> With regards,
>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>
>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>
>>>>
>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia
>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>.
>>>>
>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian
>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in
>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or
>>>> Efloraofindia
>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species
>>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than
>>>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19).
>>>>
>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource
>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a
>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc.
>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as
>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
>>>>
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>>>> India'.
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>>> --
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Saroj Kasaju
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>>>
>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>
>>>
>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia
>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>.
>>>
>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian
>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group
>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the
>>> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or
>>> Efloraofindia
>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species
>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than
>>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19).
>>>
>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource
>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a
>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc.
>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as
>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
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>>
>>
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>
>
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> With regards,
> J.M.Garg
>
> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>
>
> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia
> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>.
>
> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora,
> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the
> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or
> Efloraofindia
> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species
> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than
> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19).
>
> The whole world uses my Image Resource
> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a
> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc.
> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as
> per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
>
> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of
> India'.
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2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19).
The whole world uses my Image Resource
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thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc.
(arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as
per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
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India'.
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