---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 09:58 Subject: Re: [itpmods:14622] Fwd: Confusion regarding Verbascum chinense To: itpmods <itpm...@googlegroups.com>
Verbascum chinense is what was described in Flora of British India as Celsia coromandelianum Differences are so obvious V. thapsus: stamens 5, basal leaves not divided, cauline strongly decurrent, densely woolly V. chinensis: stamens 4, basal leaves lyrate-pinnatifid, cauline not decurrent, not densely woolly. The species are well represented on Flowers of India Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Mob: 9810359089 https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 9:18 AM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, Anil ji, > Flora of China > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210002271> > mentions > *Verbascum chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau (syn: *Verbascum coromandelianum* > (Vahl) Kuntze), while POWO reports both of them (*Verbascum chinense* > (Linnaeus) Santapau & *Verbascum coromandelianum *(Vahl) Kuntze)) as > independent species. > We do not know the difference between the two. > > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 08:26, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < > anilthakur2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> You are right, Garg ji >> But the confusion arises when one data base considers some species as >> accepted and the other as a synonym of some other name. >> Regards >> >> On Fri, 4 Sep 2020, 7:16 am J.M. Garg, <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Anil ji, >>> POWO is not the ultimate solution. Catalogue of Life is far ahead in >>> many families, particularly those which are not there in WCSP from Kew. >>> Both needs to consulted simultaneously where species are not listed in >>> WCSP. >>> However, any inputs in this matter. >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J. M. Garg >>> >>> On Thu, 3 Sep, 2020, 10:49 pm Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur, < >>> anilthakur2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Garg ji, there are many such problems with closely related species on >>>> different databases. Therefore, I consult only POWO at present. >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> On Thu, 3 Sep 2020, 9:30 pm J.M. Garg, <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 21:29 >>>>> Subject: Re: Confusion regarding Verbascum chinense >>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Flora of China >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210002271> >>>>> mentions >>>>> *Verbascum chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau(syn: *Scrophularia chinensis* >>>>> Linnaeus; *Celsia coromandeliana* Vahl; *Verbascum coromandelianum* >>>>> (Vahl) Kuntze; *V. sinense* H. Léveillé & Giraud). >>>>> I could not find any clue on searching the net. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 21:27, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Catalogue of life >>>>>> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/d55b5c237016ce7779b35b1514454795> >>>>>> gives *Verbascum chinense* (L.) Santapau as a syn. of *Verbascum >>>>>> coromandelianum* subsp. *sinense* (L.) D. Mc Kean with distribution >>>>>> as China (Guangxi, Sichuan, Yunnan), Pakistan (Sind, Pakistani >>>>>> Punjab, Rawalpindi, N.W.Frontier Prov., Peshawar), Jammu & Kashmir >>>>>> (Kashmir). >>>>>> POWO >>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:810918-1> >>>>>> gives *Verbascum chinense *(L.) Santapau with native range is >>>>>> Afghanistan to S. China and Indo-China (Afghanistan, Bangladesh, >>>>>> Cambodia, China South-Central, China Southeast, India, Laos, Thailand, >>>>>> West >>>>>> Himalaya) >>>>>> POWO >>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:891511-1> >>>>>> also gives *Verbascum coromandelianum* subsp. *sinense *with native >>>>>> to China South-Central. >>>>>> >>>>>> Catalogue of life >>>>>> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/d55b5c237016ce7779b35b1514454795> >>>>>> also gives *Verbascum coromandelianum *subsp. *coromandelianum* with >>>>>> distribution as Afghanistan (Kandahar), ?Pakistan, India, Myanmar >>>>>> [Burma] (Ayeyarwady, Bago, Mandalay, Yangon), NE-Thailand, Sri Lanka, >>>>>> Laos, >>>>>> Cambodia, India, Bangladesh. >>>>>> POWO >>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:810960-1#children> >>>>>> gives *Verbascum coromandelianum *with native range is E. & SE. >>>>>> Afghanistan to Myanmar (Afghanistan, India, Myanmar, Sri Lanka). >>>>>> >>>>>> We have mainly only two species in India as per details at Verbascum >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/scrophulariaceae/verbascum> >>>>>> (*V. chinense *and *V.thapsus*) >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anybody help in clearing this confusion? 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