---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 12:20 Subject: Re: [itpmods:14622] Fwd: Confusion regarding Verbascum chinense To: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> Cc: itpmods <itpm...@googlegroups.com>
Garg ji Verbascum coromandelianum (Vahl) Kuntze as understood as distinct species is described in FBI as V. celsioides Benth. It will have 5 stamens but sometimes 4 (hence confusion), lower leaves are pinnatisect , 4-6 inch long (lyrate-pinnatifid, 2-4 inch long in chinense), pedicels 12-20 mm long (only 4-8 mm long in Chinense), filaments woolly (hairy in chinense) All three are described in FBI, we can always find from there. Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Mob: 9810359089 https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 11:24 AM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Singh ji, > I am asking for the difference between *Verbascum chinense* (Linnaeus) > Santapau & *Verbascum coromandelianum *(Vahl) Kuntze. > > Flora of China > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210002271> > mentions > *Verbascum chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau (syn: *Verbascum coromandelianum* > (Vahl) Kuntze), while POWO reports both of them (*Verbascum chinense* > (Linnaeus) Santapau & *Verbascum coromandelianum *(Vahl) Kuntze)) as > independent species. > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 09:58, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Verbascum chinense is what was described in Flora of British India as >> Celsia coromandelianum >> Differences are so obvious >> V. thapsus: stamens 5, basal leaves not divided, cauline strongly >> decurrent, densely woolly >> V. chinensis: stamens 4, basal leaves lyrate-pinnatifid, cauline not >> decurrent, not densely woolly. >> The species are well represented on Flowers of India >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Mob: 9810359089 >> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 9:18 AM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Anil ji, >>> Flora of China >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210002271> >>> mentions >>> *Verbascum chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau (syn: *Verbascum >>> coromandelianum* (Vahl) Kuntze), while POWO reports both of them (*Verbascum >>> chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau & *Verbascum coromandelianum *(Vahl) >>> Kuntze)) as independent species. >>> We do not know the difference between the two. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 08:26, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < >>> anilthakur2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> You are right, Garg ji >>>> But the confusion arises when one data base considers some species as >>>> accepted and the other as a synonym of some other name. >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2020, 7:16 am J.M. Garg, <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, Anil ji, >>>>> POWO is not the ultimate solution. Catalogue of Life is far ahead in >>>>> many families, particularly those which are not there in WCSP from Kew. >>>>> Both needs to consulted simultaneously where species are not listed in >>>>> WCSP. >>>>> However, any inputs in this matter. >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 3 Sep, 2020, 10:49 pm Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur, < >>>>> anilthakur2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Garg ji, there are many such problems with closely related species on >>>>>> different databases. Therefore, I consult only POWO at present. >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 3 Sep 2020, 9:30 pm J.M. Garg, <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 21:29 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Confusion regarding Verbascum chinense >>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Flora of China >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210002271> >>>>>>> mentions >>>>>>> *Verbascum chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau(syn: *Scrophularia >>>>>>> chinensis* Linnaeus; *Celsia coromandeliana* Vahl; *Verbascum >>>>>>> coromandelianum* (Vahl) Kuntze; *V. sinense* H. Léveillé & Giraud). >>>>>>> I could not find any clue on searching the net. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 21:27, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Catalogue of life >>>>>>>> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/d55b5c237016ce7779b35b1514454795> >>>>>>>> gives *Verbascum chinense* (L.) Santapau as a syn. of *Verbascum >>>>>>>> coromandelianum* subsp. *sinense* (L.) D. Mc Kean with >>>>>>>> distribution as China (Guangxi, Sichuan, Yunnan), Pakistan (Sind, >>>>>>>> Pakistani Punjab, Rawalpindi, N.W.Frontier Prov., Peshawar), Jammu & >>>>>>>> Kashmir (Kashmir). >>>>>>>> POWO >>>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:810918-1> >>>>>>>> gives *Verbascum chinense *(L.) Santapau with native range is >>>>>>>> Afghanistan to S. China and Indo-China (Afghanistan, Bangladesh, >>>>>>>> Cambodia, China South-Central, China Southeast, India, Laos, Thailand, >>>>>>>> West >>>>>>>> Himalaya) >>>>>>>> POWO >>>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:891511-1> >>>>>>>> also gives *Verbascum coromandelianum* subsp. *sinense *with native >>>>>>>> to China South-Central. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Catalogue of life >>>>>>>> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/d55b5c237016ce7779b35b1514454795> >>>>>>>> also gives *Verbascum coromandelianum *subsp. *coromandelianum* >>>>>>>> with distribution as Afghanistan (Kandahar), ?Pakistan, India, >>>>>>>> Myanmar [Burma] (Ayeyarwady, Bago, Mandalay, Yangon), NE-Thailand, Sri >>>>>>>> Lanka, Laos, Cambodia, India, Bangladesh. >>>>>>>> POWO >>>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:810960-1#children> >>>>>>>> gives *Verbascum coromandelianum *with native range is E. & SE. >>>>>>>> Afghanistan to Myanmar (Afghanistan, India, Myanmar, Sri Lanka). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have mainly only two species in India as per details at >>>>>>>> Verbascum >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/scrophulariaceae/verbascum> >>>>>>>> (*V. chinense *and *V.thapsus*) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can anybody help in clearing this confusion? What should be the >>>>>>>> status of our *V.chinense* >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/scrophulariaceae> >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCxjaHjWbdqBCG85XM_5VPb6kcFf%2BfH7DSO4Ts%2Biti_Xw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCxjaHjWbdqBCG85XM_5VPb6kcFf%2BfH7DSO4Ts%2Biti_Xw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEWs%3DZkXgGZrsuDdSwNt24G70q0KdO7%2BKua-koyp8scLyTxvfA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEWs%3DZkXgGZrsuDdSwNt24G70q0KdO7%2BKua-koyp8scLyTxvfA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCCvVYnZHya4E3CZC%2BNwQiLxfMGa6aaPiZiacE6m08Bng%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCCvVYnZHya4E3CZC%2BNwQiLxfMGa6aaPiZiacE6m08Bng%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEWs%3DZnvd_VB4ikrGsHoqmhVTRNQ3J3ycmJfi4j1e6U7SMuDXA%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEWs%3DZnvd_VB4ikrGsHoqmhVTRNQ3J3ycmJfi4j1e6U7SMuDXA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCjnMUWtVrQU8w_AhWWsHWNNFesBYUx5knB-c5e3w44zA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCjnMUWtVrQU8w_AhWWsHWNNFesBYUx5knB-c5e3w44zA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ITPmods" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpXgGQU7qySGv05t1bk-x%2BzFYrA-miRg9yZD1pYCTVO%3DxQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpXgGQU7qySGv05t1bk-x%2BzFYrA-miRg9yZD1pYCTVO%3DxQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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