*Campanula argyrotricha *Wall. ?? Thank you Saroj Kasaju On Monday, November 8, 2010 at 11:14:05 PM UTC+5:45 Tabish wrote:
> Another reason why I would not go with Campanula pallida var. tibetica > right now, is that I think the sepals of that species are supposed to > be erect, and not spreading. The picture in this link: > http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Campanulaceae/Campan16f.htm > and also this illustration > http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86676&flora_id=5 > show erect sepals. > - Tabish > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ok Tabish ji > > Let us hope we find truly representative C. cana some day. In the mean > time > > we will also keep a watch on two types of our plants: Mine and FOI one > with > > longer linear calyx lobes (which we have agreed to be C. pallida var. > > pallida); and the other on FOI and Prashant ji's plant with toothed > broader > > calyx lobes. > > By the way both latter specimens (C. pallida var. pallida of FOI; and > > Prashant ji's second set) have broader calyx lobes, and both growing > above > > 10,000 ft. Won't it be more appropriate to call them var. tibetica > (ignoring > > the flower colour, and imagining that calyx lobes in C. pallida can be > > toothed). Please give a thought to it. > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Gurcharan ji, > >> In F. Brit. Ind., the sepals of Campanula colorata are described as > >> "lanceolate or triangular lanceolate, entire or toothed". Sepals of > >> Campanula cana are also supposed to be coarsely toothed. So, I don't > >> know how toothedness would distinguish the two species. > >> - Tabish > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > Thank you Tabish ji > >> > Please also give thought to distinctly toothed margin in both Prashant > >> > ji's > >> > second set and plant at FOI. > >> > -- > >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> > Retired Associate Professor > >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Gurcharan ji, > >> >> I concur with your thinking that your plant from Manali and the > >> >> plant on FOI currently (will be corrected soon) as C. pallida var. > >> >> tibetica are actually *Campanula pallida var. pallida*. > >> >> Also, I agree that Prashant's flower and that on FOI currently as > >> >> Campanula pallida var. pallida appear to belong to the same species. > >> >> However, the sepals in the two sets may be better described as > >> >> triangular, instead of broadly lanceolate. According to Flora of > >> >> British India, the sepals of C. colorata (which is now considered a > >> >> synonym of C. pallida var. pallida) are described as > >> >> triangular-lanceolate to lanceolate. The sepals of C. cana are > >> >> described as broadly lanceolate. The sepals in both the sets, seem to > >> >> agree better (to my eye) with those in this picture of Campanula > >> >> colorata > >> >> http://plantsoftibet.lifedesks.org/image/view/2263/_original > >> >> rather than the sepals seen in these pictures of Campanual cana > >> >> > http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104630&flora_id=800 > >> >> > http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104631&flora_id=800 > >> >> It appears to me that C. pallida var. pallida has two types of plants > >> >> - one with narrow lanceshaped sepals and pale-purple or whitish > >> >> flowers - the other with more triangular sepals and purple flowers. > >> >> - Tabish > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Tabish ji > >> >> > Even before replying to another mail on C. cana, I had initiated > this > >> >> > mail. > >> >> > Today I chanced upon this link which prompts me to rethink on the > >> >> > above > >> >> > thread, and identity of above two sets of photographs uploaded by > >> >> > Prashant > >> >> > ji, and my plant from Manali, which I had initially identified as > C. > >> >> > pallida, but subsequently C. cana provisionally. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Campanulaceae/Campanula_pallida.htm > >> >> > If we look at the description in Flora of British India, Flora > >> >> > Simlensis, > >> >> > and the above link, one thing is clear: C. pallida var. pallida is > a > >> >> > plant > >> >> > of lower altitudes and has narrower and longer calyx lobes, not > >> >> > overlapping > >> >> > at base. My plant from Manali and the plant on FOI as C. pallida > var. > >> >> > tibetica satisfy this criteria and are according to me are C. > pallida > >> >> > var. > >> >> > pallida (the plant at FOI as var. tibetica is from mussoorie, a > much > >> >> > lower > >> >> > altitude for this variety). I have yet to see true C. pallida var. > >> >> > tibetica > >> >> > resembling above link. > >> >> > For a moment forget flower colour. It may be purple or lighter. The > >> >> > first > >> >> > set of plants by Prashant ji is considerably dry, but second set is > >> >> > very > >> >> > clear. It has calyx lobes much broader like var. tibetica but they > >> >> > are > >> >> > clearly toothed along margin. Same is true for plant depicted at > FOI > >> >> > as > >> >> > C. > >> >> > pallida var. pallida. For me both belong to Campanula cana, which > >> >> > according > >> >> > to FB has broader calyx lobes with toothed margin. > >> >> > Your comments on these please > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> >> > Retired Associate Professor > >> >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:01 PM, shrikant ingalhalikar > >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Good, after a lot of brain storming my wild card ID seems > validated. > >> >> >> My guess was not too wild. I have observed C. colorata on stone > >> >> >> walls > >> >> >> of Sinhagad near Pune. The pecularity of this plant has been that > >> >> >> stamens in some flowers were missing or in some cases the corolla > >> >> >> itself was missing. The fruits get formed inside the calyx without > >> >> >> any > >> >> >> corolla. C. dimorphantha is found on Purandar fort. I wonder about > >> >> >> what is dimorphic in the flowers of this sp. I am aware that this > >> >> >> thread has gone far enough but someone can help me sort out some > >> >> >> loose > >> >> >> ends. Regards, Shrikant > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Oct 18, 2:11 pm, Prashant awale <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > Dear Friends, > >> >> >> > This i found in the rock crevices at the altitude of approx. > 11500 > >> >> >> > ft > >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > way to Hampta pass. Flowers were very attractive in appearance. > >> >> >> > Enclosing > >> >> >> > the snaps of flowers, leaves and stem. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Date/Time: 27-09-2010 / 09:45AM > >> >> >> > Location: On the way to Hampta Pass at approx. 11500 ft altitude > >> >> >> > Habitat: Wild > >> >> >> > Plant Habit: Herb > >> >> >> > Stem reddish brown, hairy > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > regards > >> >> >> > Prashant > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > IMG_1342cr.jpg > >> >> >> > 133KViewDownload > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > IMG_1343side.jpg > >> >> >> > 166KViewDownload > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > IMG_1341.jpg > >> >> >> > 191KViewDownload > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > IMG_1342leafstem.jpg > >> >> >> > 159KViewDownload > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > IMG_1343.jpg > >> >> >> > 168KViewDownload > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > IMG_1344.jpg > >> >> >> > 173KViewDownload > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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