On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 at 19:49, Saroj Kumar Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote:
> *Campanula argyrotricha *Wall. ?? > Thank you > Saroj Kasaju > On Monday, November 8, 2010 at 11:14:05 PM UTC+5:45 Tabish wrote: > >> Another reason why I would not go with Campanula pallida var. tibetica >> right now, is that I think the sepals of that species are supposed to >> be erect, and not spreading. The picture in this link: >> http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Campanulaceae/Campan16f.htm >> and also this illustration >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86676&flora_id=5 >> show erect sepals. >> - Tabish >> >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Ok Tabish ji >> > Let us hope we find truly representative C. cana some day. In the mean >> time >> > we will also keep a watch on two types of our plants: Mine and FOI one >> with >> > longer linear calyx lobes (which we have agreed to be C. pallida var. >> > pallida); and the other on FOI and Prashant ji's plant with toothed >> broader >> > calyx lobes. >> > By the way both latter specimens (C. pallida var. pallida of FOI; and >> > Prashant ji's second set) have broader calyx lobes, and both growing >> above >> > 10,000 ft. Won't it be more appropriate to call them var. tibetica >> (ignoring >> > the flower colour, and imagining that calyx lobes in C. pallida can be >> > toothed). Please give a thought to it. >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > Retired Associate Professor >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Gurcharan ji, >> >> In F. Brit. Ind., the sepals of Campanula colorata are described as >> >> "lanceolate or triangular lanceolate, entire or toothed". Sepals of >> >> Campanula cana are also supposed to be coarsely toothed. So, I don't >> >> know how toothedness would distinguish the two species. >> >> - Tabish >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Thank you Tabish ji >> >> > Please also give thought to distinctly toothed margin in both >> Prashant >> >> > ji's >> >> > second set and plant at FOI. >> >> > -- >> >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> > Retired Associate Professor >> >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Gurcharan ji, >> >> >> I concur with your thinking that your plant from Manali and the >> >> >> plant on FOI currently (will be corrected soon) as C. pallida var. >> >> >> tibetica are actually *Campanula pallida var. pallida*. >> >> >> Also, I agree that Prashant's flower and that on FOI currently as >> >> >> Campanula pallida var. pallida appear to belong to the same species. >> >> >> However, the sepals in the two sets may be better described as >> >> >> triangular, instead of broadly lanceolate. According to Flora of >> >> >> British India, the sepals of C. colorata (which is now considered a >> >> >> synonym of C. pallida var. pallida) are described as >> >> >> triangular-lanceolate to lanceolate. The sepals of C. cana are >> >> >> described as broadly lanceolate. The sepals in both the sets, seem >> to >> >> >> agree better (to my eye) with those in this picture of Campanula >> >> >> colorata >> >> >> http://plantsoftibet.lifedesks.org/image/view/2263/_original >> >> >> rather than the sepals seen in these pictures of Campanual cana >> >> >> >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104630&flora_id=800 >> >> >> >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104631&flora_id=800 >> >> >> It appears to me that C. pallida var. pallida has two types of >> plants >> >> >> - one with narrow lanceshaped sepals and pale-purple or whitish >> >> >> flowers - the other with more triangular sepals and purple flowers. >> >> >> - Tabish >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Tabish ji >> >> >> > Even before replying to another mail on C. cana, I had initiated >> this >> >> >> > mail. >> >> >> > Today I chanced upon this link which prompts me to rethink on the >> >> >> > above >> >> >> > thread, and identity of above two sets of photographs uploaded by >> >> >> > Prashant >> >> >> > ji, and my plant from Manali, which I had initially identified as >> C. >> >> >> > pallida, but subsequently C. cana provisionally. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Campanulaceae/Campanula_pallida.htm >> >> >> > If we look at the description in Flora of British India, Flora >> >> >> > Simlensis, >> >> >> > and the above link, one thing is clear: C. pallida var. pallida >> is a >> >> >> > plant >> >> >> > of lower altitudes and has narrower and longer calyx lobes, not >> >> >> > overlapping >> >> >> > at base. My plant from Manali and the plant on FOI as C. pallida >> var. >> >> >> > tibetica satisfy this criteria and are according to me are C. >> pallida >> >> >> > var. >> >> >> > pallida (the plant at FOI as var. tibetica is from mussoorie, a >> much >> >> >> > lower >> >> >> > altitude for this variety). I have yet to see true C. pallida var. >> >> >> > tibetica >> >> >> > resembling above link. >> >> >> > For a moment forget flower colour. It may be purple or lighter. >> The >> >> >> > first >> >> >> > set of plants by Prashant ji is considerably dry, but second set >> is >> >> >> > very >> >> >> > clear. It has calyx lobes much broader like var. tibetica but they >> >> >> > are >> >> >> > clearly toothed along margin. Same is true for plant depicted at >> FOI >> >> >> > as >> >> >> > C. >> >> >> > pallida var. pallida. For me both belong to Campanula cana, which >> >> >> > according >> >> >> > to FB has broader calyx lobes with toothed margin. >> >> >> > Your comments on these please >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> >> > Retired Associate Professor >> >> >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >> >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >> >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >> >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:01 PM, shrikant ingalhalikar >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Good, after a lot of brain storming my wild card ID seems >> validated. >> >> >> >> My guess was not too wild. I have observed C. colorata on stone >> >> >> >> walls >> >> >> >> of Sinhagad near Pune. The pecularity of this plant has been that >> >> >> >> stamens in some flowers were missing or in some cases the corolla >> >> >> >> itself was missing. The fruits get formed inside the calyx >> without >> >> >> >> any >> >> >> >> corolla. C. dimorphantha is found on Purandar fort. I wonder >> about >> >> >> >> what is dimorphic in the flowers of this sp. I am aware that this >> >> >> >> thread has gone far enough but someone can help me sort out some >> >> >> >> loose >> >> >> >> ends. Regards, Shrikant >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 18, 2:11 pm, Prashant awale <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Dear Friends, >> >> >> >> > This i found in the rock crevices at the altitude of approx. >> 11500 >> >> >> >> > ft >> >> >> >> > on >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > way to Hampta pass. Flowers were very attractive in appearance. >> >> >> >> > Enclosing >> >> >> >> > the snaps of flowers, leaves and stem. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Date/Time: 27-09-2010 / 09:45AM >> >> >> >> > Location: On the way to Hampta Pass at approx. 11500 ft >> altitude >> >> >> >> > Habitat: Wild >> >> >> >> > Plant Habit: Herb >> >> >> >> > Stem reddish brown, hairy >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > regards >> >> >> >> > Prashant >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > IMG_1342cr.jpg >> >> >> >> > 133KViewDownload >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > IMG_1343side.jpg >> >> >> >> > 166KViewDownload >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > IMG_1341.jpg >> >> >> >> > 191KViewDownload >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > IMG_1342leafstem.jpg >> >> >> >> > 159KViewDownload >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > IMG_1343.jpg >> >> >> >> > 168KViewDownload >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > IMG_1344.jpg >> >> >> >> > 173KViewDownload >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/63295689-4ec7-4736-8cac-517635e3c932n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/63295689-4ec7-4736-8cac-517635e3c932n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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