Dear saroj sir, images posted by me on flicker are very old i haven't updated the captions yet and those are Z . nimmonii only i will update it soon.
On Mon, 9 Oct, 2023, 12:18 pm Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you Dinesh Ji, > > Yes, I agree with you. There are not many images of the Z. cernuum on the > net. We need look for > keys and description to short this out. > Shushant Ji other images on cernuum is different. > https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F66499264%40N05%2F9664123786&psig=AOvVaw14Rktvqllr9NSV7QvXjDAZ&ust=1696919631942000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBEQjRxqFwoTCKiDld2s6IEDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 12:04 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks very much, Garg ji, for surfacing this *Zingiber* *cernuum VS >> nimmonii*. >> >> Considering they are different species, we need to see sufficient >> observations from the field experts; so that we can easily differentiate >> them. >> I think they are not easily differentiated visually when we see the plant >> in the fruiting phase OR with dehisced fruits. >> >> Shrikant ji Ingalhalikar's *Further Flowers of Sahyadri*, the second >> among the three field guides to identify plants of northern Western Ghats >> of India, based on flowers, have photos of both plants: >> *Zingiber cernuum*: page 380 >> *Zingiber nimmonii*: page 397 >> >> My observation of the *Zingiber cernuum* illustrated at FOI, agrees well >> with the illustration in Shrikant ji's FFOS. >> My same observation is also illustrated at POWO ... >> https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:798324-1/images >> >> But, all this could be wrong, and corrections will need to be done at all >> places. >> >> >> Saroj ji, >> Clicking on the link you provided takes us to a page showing a flower >> photographed by one of our friends Sushant More. >> On that same page, clicking on "View more" leads us to a page showing two >> more photos of flowers, looking different. >> >> Sushant's observation is at >> https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/59761452 ... though he must be >> correct with his ID, the observation still awaits validation. >> Both observations - Sushant's and mine - need to be validated by experts. >> >> Sushant had discussed *Zingiber nimmonii* with me; he said most of the >> plants of *nimmonii* in Western Ghats are wrongly identified as *cernuum* >> . >> I have requested him to write an article or paper about this myth, based >> on which I can shift IDs of my observations to *nimmonii*. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 6:29 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Everywhere is the same image for Z. cernum which looks wrong. This >>> should be the correct image for the Z. cernuum ?? >>> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiwr4DGv-aBAxUCfnAKHQPZClkQFnoECB8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fuk.inaturalist.org%2Ftaxa%2F139935-Zingiber-cernuum&usg=AOvVaw25RQUHcFjeu4E0BRCv5A7I&opi=89978449 >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 2:22 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>> Zingiber cernuum in FOI >>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Curved-Stem%20Ginger.html> >>>> (images attached) should be a syn. of *Zingiber nimmonii* (J.Graham) >>>> Dalzell <https://efloraofindia.com/2014/09/01/zingiber-nimmonii/> as >>>> per efi thread >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/U5SWxAT1Rqc> though POWO >>>> says both to be different. >>>> Pl. check. >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFCa7Xn00aaG4%3DqGm5EheGhV7mq%2BsJY%2BofhWkQE02B3g5A%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFCa7Xn00aaG4%3DqGm5EheGhV7mq%2BsJY%2BofhWkQE02B3g5A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAG%2B%3DxF_W9WrVVzNtveTxbSiDxf%3D8AxYXEryShC4mNugGciUaCQ%40mail.gmail.com.
