OK Sushant ji ! Thank you. Saroj Kasaju
On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 1:05 PM Sushant More <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear saroj sir, images posted by me on flicker are very old i haven't > updated the captions yet and those are Z . nimmonii only i will update it > soon. > > On Mon, 9 Oct, 2023, 12:18 pm Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Thank you Dinesh Ji, >> >> Yes, I agree with you. There are not many images of the Z. cernuum on the >> net. We need look for >> keys and description to short this out. >> Shushant Ji other images on cernuum is different. >> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F66499264%40N05%2F9664123786&psig=AOvVaw14Rktvqllr9NSV7QvXjDAZ&ust=1696919631942000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBEQjRxqFwoTCKiDld2s6IEDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 12:04 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks very much, Garg ji, for surfacing this *Zingiber* *cernuum VS >>> nimmonii*. >>> >>> Considering they are different species, we need to see sufficient >>> observations from the field experts; so that we can easily differentiate >>> them. >>> I think they are not easily differentiated visually when we see the >>> plant in the fruiting phase OR with dehisced fruits. >>> >>> Shrikant ji Ingalhalikar's *Further Flowers of Sahyadri*, the second >>> among the three field guides to identify plants of northern Western Ghats >>> of India, based on flowers, have photos of both plants: >>> *Zingiber cernuum*: page 380 >>> *Zingiber nimmonii*: page 397 >>> >>> My observation of the *Zingiber cernuum* illustrated at FOI, agrees >>> well with the illustration in Shrikant ji's FFOS. >>> My same observation is also illustrated at POWO ... >>> https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:798324-1/images >>> >>> But, all this could be wrong, and corrections will need to be done at >>> all places. >>> >>> >>> Saroj ji, >>> Clicking on the link you provided takes us to a page showing a flower >>> photographed by one of our friends Sushant More. >>> On that same page, clicking on "View more" leads us to a page showing >>> two more photos of flowers, looking different. >>> >>> Sushant's observation is at >>> https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/59761452 ... though he must be >>> correct with his ID, the observation still awaits validation. >>> Both observations - Sushant's and mine - need to be validated by experts. >>> >>> Sushant had discussed *Zingiber nimmonii* with me; he said most of the >>> plants of *nimmonii* in Western Ghats are wrongly identified as >>> *cernuum*. >>> I have requested him to write an article or paper about this myth, based >>> on which I can shift IDs of my observations to *nimmonii*. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 6:29 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Everywhere is the same image for Z. cernum which looks wrong. This >>>> should be the correct image for the Z. cernuum ?? >>>> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiwr4DGv-aBAxUCfnAKHQPZClkQFnoECB8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fuk.inaturalist.org%2Ftaxa%2F139935-Zingiber-cernuum&usg=AOvVaw25RQUHcFjeu4E0BRCv5A7I&opi=89978449 >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 2:22 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>>> Zingiber cernuum in FOI >>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Curved-Stem%20Ginger.html> >>>>> (images attached) should be a syn. of *Zingiber nimmonii* (J.Graham) >>>>> Dalzell <https://efloraofindia.com/2014/09/01/zingiber-nimmonii/> as >>>>> per efi thread >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/U5SWxAT1Rqc> though POWO >>>>> says both to be different. >>>>> Pl. check. >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFCa7Xn00aaG4%3DqGm5EheGhV7mq%2BsJY%2BofhWkQE02B3g5A%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFCa7Xn00aaG4%3DqGm5EheGhV7mq%2BsJY%2BofhWkQE02B3g5A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytS_7LabDYMg_85u98-8f7ZMx5H6Wc0uBcqLphecJRkYUA%40mail.gmail.com.
