Does we get Nerium in the Wild form??? from where, which state?? please help me..
regards, On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:29 PM, ushadi Micromini <[email protected] > wrote: > Gurcharanji: > But you must admit ... first we/the world suffered from eurocentric > viewpoint of the world... > and now things should be more democratic... > > I agree with you that a 2011 publication should be followed... to keep our > sanity... > and academic credentials... > > but ... things must be challenged in official way the way you do it... > > and unofficial ..gharelu... way the I way I said it... > both are valid ways... > > Like some people go and march in protests in the streets, raise placards.. > do rallies... > I just boycott the products advertized by the group or the celebrity with > whom I disagree or know are fakes or of low morals or liars in the rest of > their lives .. > both ways of fighting are acceptable and correct... > one is MACRO protest > mine is micro protest... > > thats my view point.. > It does not take away from your collegiality or academic interests and > effectiveness with these officials..who you are in constant touch with... > > and all the more power to you... > > By the way.. did you write to them about the nerium incidence...... > > Usha di > ============== > > > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Thanks Giby ji >> Thanks for Flora of China PDF. >> >> Let us discuss our view points in academic manner and not get upset >> because some thing does not suite us. I had uploaded the plant as Thunbergia >> grandiflora only and appended this note: >> >> Thunbergia grandiflora (Roxb. ex Rottl.) Roxb., Bot. Reg. 6: , pl. 495 >> 1820. >> syn: *Flemingia* *grandiflora* Roxb. ex Rottl. >> >> Woody climber with broadly ovate often deeply cordate leaves, >> angular-toothed, 3-5 nerved; flowers in drooping racemes, on up to 5 cm >> long >> pedicels, corolla blue, soewhat 2-lipped. Photographed from DU, Delhi >> >> Common names: Blue trumpet vine, Bengal clock vine, sky vine. >> >> The plant though closely related to T. laurifolia is treated as synonym >> of >> T. alata in Kew Plant List and perhaps in Schonenberger, J. 1999. Floral >> structure, development and diversity in Thunbergia (Acanthaceae). Bot. J. >> Linn. Soc. >> <http://www.tropicos.org/Publication/1172<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.tropicos.org/Publication/1172&usg=AFQjCNEqQ0oyzvyGu3iSnhyY5hv2Ez5cCA>> >> 130: 1–36. Final >> comments can be made only after seeing this paper. >> >> I had requested members to find out about this publication and then only >> we will make final comments. No one perhaps been able to get it, but can't >> ignore it if it has been adopted by the Plant List. >> >> But as pointed out by Giby ji, Flora of China publication is 2011 >> publication and we will follow it till any concrete results come. >> >> >> Let us not be found by fixed ideas that I know this plant for last so many >> years and know it is different. Who by the way is challenging Nerium indicum >> being merged back into N. oleander. If we are scientists, let us have open >> mind like scientists be guided by reason and evidence. >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:38 PM, ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> dismayed... >>> how can any authority do that? >>> >>> silly... >>> i will continue to use t. alata for the indian..black eyed susan... >>> to heck with so called expert sitting in china or wherever.... >>> usha di >>> ==== >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Sir ji, >>>> >>>> I am not getting convinced myself on *T. grandiflora* getting >>>> synonymised with *T. alata. *Please find attached herewith the recent >>>> revision (2011) incorporated with eflora of China. >>>> Please share if someone has any relevant information regarding the >>>> same. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks and Regards, >>>> Giby >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 October 2011 13:04, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mam please refer to above sirji's post or check this >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Giby ji >>>>> Please refer to my earlier posts. *Thunbergia grandiflora Roxb. is now >>>>> correctly known as T. alata Bojer ex Sims* according to the Plant >>>>> List. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM, ushadi Micromini < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> HS... I dont think anybody said anything about T. alata in this >>>>>> thread... >>>>>> >>>>>> please dont confuse me... and the issue... >>>>>> >>>>>> T. alata i am very familiar with, used to grow at least 3 of these >>>>>> vines in my Demonstration garden of Indian vegetables and flowers at NYBG >>>>>> and I did it for many years thru the 90s >>>>>> >>>>>> usha di >>>>>> === >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Cant believe that Thunbergia grandiflora and Thunbergia alata are one >>>>>>> and the same... >>>>>>> where the literature says one from India and other from Africa with >>>>>>> lots of distinct characters.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Sir >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I got it and I somehow didn't get that when I searched for the T >>>>>>>> grandiflora. Thank you for correcting me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks and regards, >>>>>>>> Giby. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 23 October 2011 11:19, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Giby ji >>>>>>>>> Please refer to my earlier posts. Thunbergia grandiflora Roxb. is >>>>>>>>> now correctly known as T. alata Bojer ex Sims according to the Plant >>>>>>>>> List. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think *T. laurifolia* is the accepted name for *T. grandiflora*var. >>>>>>>>>> *laurifolia *as per the plant list*.* >>>>>>>>>> FOI also says so @ >>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Laurel%20Clock%20Vine.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But the 2011 revision of Flora of China says *Thunbergia >>>>>>>>>> grandiflora. * >>>>>>>>>> While searching for *T. grandiflora* I couldn't see the species >>>>>>>>>> name as such in the plant list >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Giby >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 23 October 2011 08:28, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would rather go with Thunbergia laurifolia >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Madhuri Raut < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Ushadi >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Bhagyashri >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Ushadi micromini < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is thunbergia grandiflora... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Madhuri... look at the leaf very carefully and take en face >>>>>>>>>>>>> photo of >>>>>>>>>>>>> one complete leaf to show leaf margin and attachment to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> stem.. for >>>>>>>>>>>>> your own files and memory.. >>>>>>>>>>>>> leaf shape is unique... >>>>>>>>>>>>> even if flower color shows a great deal of variation over time >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> regions... >>>>>>>>>>>>> the leaf almost stays the same.... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have found these in Miami, Fl, Key west, florida, >>>>>>>>>>>>> california... >>>>>>>>>>>>> naturalized and in gardens and in snowy countryside in >>>>>>>>>>>>> botanical >>>>>>>>>>>>> gardens, in England at kew and of course all over India... in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bengal >>>>>>>>>>>>> we get several colors... of course always in the blue- bluish >>>>>>>>>>>>> white >>>>>>>>>>>>> to bluishpurple (like yours) ..... develops seeds in Key west >>>>>>>>>>>>> fl but >>>>>>>>>>>>> not seen any seedpods on any of the hundred or so vines I keep >>>>>>>>>>>>> an eye >>>>>>>>>>>>> on off and on for three years in in several neighborhoods of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kolkata >>>>>>>>>>>>> recently partly because local women do not leave mush after >>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> pluck every darn flower for worship or just because... ( its a >>>>>>>>>>>>> disease in India) ... GOD never wanted soooo many flowers as >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> deplete the gene pool... ) ... or we dont have appropriate >>>>>>>>>>>>> pollinators... even if we had pollinators, they would not >>>>>>>>>>>>> develop a >>>>>>>>>>>>> habit of coming to that vine if they were not assured of some >>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciable amount of nectar from a large numbers of flowers... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>> ======== >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 9:42 pm, Tanay Bose <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 100% correct from Giby Ji I stand corrected >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Tanay >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *Thunbergia grandiflora* of Acanthaceae family >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Giby >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > On 22 October 2011 22:02, Madhuri Raut <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Request for validation ?Purple Allamanda >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Date/Time-Oct 2011 >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-Pune >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Private Garden >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Climber was along >>>>>>>>>>>>> a fence of a >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> garden >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- green >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-bluish purple flowers >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-not seen >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Bhagyashri >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment >>>>>>>>>>>>> (ATREE), >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > India >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > visit my pictures @http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Tanay Bose* >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Department of Botany. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > University of British Columbia . >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 604-822-2019 (Lab) >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 604-822-6089 (Fax) >>>>>>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Webpages:* >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.htmlhttp://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.htmlhttps://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - H.S. >>>>> >>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>>>> of stone >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>> Royal Enclave, >>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>> India >>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > -- - H.S. A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of stone
