Jammu, Udhampur, Punjab, Nepal, Pakistan http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?25229
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:34 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > Does we get Nerium in the Wild form??? from where, which state?? > > please help me.. > > regards, > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:29 PM, ushadi Micromini < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Gurcharanji: >> But you must admit ... first we/the world suffered from eurocentric >> viewpoint of the world... >> and now things should be more democratic... >> >> I agree with you that a 2011 publication should be followed... to keep our >> sanity... >> and academic credentials... >> >> but ... things must be challenged in official way the way you do it... >> >> and unofficial ..gharelu... way the I way I said it... >> both are valid ways... >> >> Like some people go and march in protests in the streets, raise placards.. >> do rallies... >> I just boycott the products advertized by the group or the celebrity with >> whom I disagree or know are fakes or of low morals or liars in the rest of >> their lives .. >> both ways of fighting are acceptable and correct... >> one is MACRO protest >> mine is micro protest... >> >> thats my view point.. >> It does not take away from your collegiality or academic interests and >> effectiveness with these officials..who you are in constant touch with... >> >> and all the more power to you... >> >> By the way.. did you write to them about the nerium incidence...... >> >> Usha di >> ============== >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Thanks Giby ji >>> Thanks for Flora of China PDF. >>> >>> Let us discuss our view points in academic manner and not get upset >>> because some thing does not suite us. I had uploaded the plant as Thunbergia >>> grandiflora only and appended this note: >>> >>> Thunbergia grandiflora (Roxb. ex Rottl.) Roxb., Bot. Reg. 6: , pl. 495 >>> 1820. >>> syn: *Flemingia* *grandiflora* Roxb. ex Rottl. >>> >>> Woody climber with broadly ovate often deeply cordate leaves, >>> angular-toothed, 3-5 nerved; flowers in drooping racemes, on up to 5 cm >>> long >>> pedicels, corolla blue, soewhat 2-lipped. Photographed from DU, Delhi >>> >>> Common names: Blue trumpet vine, Bengal clock vine, sky vine. >>> >>> The plant though closely related to T. laurifolia is treated as synonym >>> of >>> T. alata in Kew Plant List and perhaps in Schonenberger, J. 1999. Floral >>> structure, development and diversity in Thunbergia (Acanthaceae). Bot. >>> J. >>> Linn. Soc. >>> <http://www.tropicos.org/Publication/1172<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.tropicos.org/Publication/1172&usg=AFQjCNEqQ0oyzvyGu3iSnhyY5hv2Ez5cCA>> >>> 130: 1–36. Final >>> comments can be made only after seeing this paper. >>> >>> I had requested members to find out about this publication and then only >>> we will make final comments. No one perhaps been able to get it, but can't >>> ignore it if it has been adopted by the Plant List. >>> >>> But as pointed out by Giby ji, Flora of China publication is 2011 >>> publication and we will follow it till any concrete results come. >>> >>> >>> Let us not be found by fixed ideas that I know this plant for last so >>> many years and know it is different. Who by the way is challenging Nerium >>> indicum being merged back into N. oleander. If we are scientists, let us >>> have open mind like scientists be guided by reason and evidence. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:38 PM, ushadi Micromini < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> dismayed... >>>> how can any authority do that? >>>> >>>> silly... >>>> i will continue to use t. alata for the indian..black eyed susan... >>>> to heck with so called expert sitting in china or wherever.... >>>> usha di >>>> ==== >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sir ji, >>>>> >>>>> I am not getting convinced myself on *T. grandiflora* getting >>>>> synonymised with *T. alata. *Please find attached herewith the recent >>>>> revision (2011) incorporated with eflora of China. >>>>> Please share if someone has any relevant information regarding the >>>>> same. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and Regards, >>>>> Giby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 23 October 2011 13:04, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mam please refer to above sirji's post or check this >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Giby ji >>>>>> Please refer to my earlier posts. *Thunbergia grandiflora Roxb. is >>>>>> now correctly known as T. alata Bojer ex Sims* according to the Plant >>>>>> List. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM, ushadi Micromini < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> HS... I dont think anybody said anything about T. alata in this >>>>>>> thread... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> please dont confuse me... and the issue... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> T. alata i am very familiar with, used to grow at least 3 of these >>>>>>> vines in my Demonstration garden of Indian vegetables and flowers at >>>>>>> NYBG >>>>>>> and I did it for many years thru the 90s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>> === >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cant believe that Thunbergia grandiflora and Thunbergia alata are >>>>>>>> one and the same... >>>>>>>> where the literature says one from India and other from Africa with >>>>>>>> lots of distinct characters.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Sir >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I got it and I somehow didn't get that when I searched for the T >>>>>>>>> grandiflora. Thank you for correcting me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards, >>>>>>>>> Giby. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 23 October 2011 11:19, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Giby ji >>>>>>>>>> Please refer to my earlier posts. Thunbergia grandiflora Roxb. is >>>>>>>>>> now correctly known as T. alata Bojer ex Sims according to the Plant >>>>>>>>>> List. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think *T. laurifolia* is the accepted name for *T. grandiflora >>>>>>>>>>> * var. *laurifolia *as per the plant list*.* >>>>>>>>>>> FOI also says so @ >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Laurel%20Clock%20Vine.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But the 2011 revision of Flora of China says *Thunbergia >>>>>>>>>>> grandiflora. * >>>>>>>>>>> While searching for *T. grandiflora* I couldn't see the species >>>>>>>>>>> name as such in the plant list >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Giby >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 23 October 2011 08:28, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would rather go with Thunbergia laurifolia >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Madhuri Raut < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Ushadi >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhagyashri >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Ushadi micromini < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is thunbergia grandiflora... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Madhuri... look at the leaf very carefully and take en face >>>>>>>>>>>>>> photo of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one complete leaf to show leaf margin and attachment to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stem.. for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your own files and memory.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaf shape is unique... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even if flower color shows a great deal of variation over time >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the leaf almost stays the same.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have found these in Miami, Fl, Key west, florida, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> california... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> naturalized and in gardens and in snowy countryside in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> botanical >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gardens, in England at kew and of course all over India... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Bengal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we get several colors... of course always in the blue- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bluish white >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to bluishpurple (like yours) ..... develops seeds in Key west >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fl but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not seen any seedpods on any of the hundred or so vines I keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an eye >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on off and on for three years in in several neighborhoods of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kolkata >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently partly because local women do not leave mush after >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pluck every darn flower for worship or just because... ( its >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disease in India) ... GOD never wanted soooo many flowers as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> deplete the gene pool... ) ... or we dont have appropriate >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pollinators... even if we had pollinators, they would not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> develop a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> habit of coming to that vine if they were not assured of some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciable amount of nectar from a large numbers of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> flowers... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ======== >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 9:42 pm, Tanay Bose <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 100% correct from Giby Ji I stand corrected >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Tanay >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *Thunbergia grandiflora* of Acanthaceae family >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Giby >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > On 22 October 2011 22:02, Madhuri Raut <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Request for validation ?Purple Allamanda >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Date/Time-Oct 2011 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-Pune >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Private Garden >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Climber was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> along a fence of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> garden >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- green >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-bluish purple flowers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-not seen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Bhagyashri >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (ATREE), >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > India >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > visit my pictures @http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Tanay Bose* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Department of Botany. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > University of British Columbia . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 604-822-2019 (Lab) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 604-822-6089 (Fax) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Webpages:* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.htmlhttp://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.htmlhttps://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>> India >>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > - H.S. > > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of > stone > > -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. 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