"But in Amorphophallus, being a biennial plant, flowers and leaves are
never observed togusually flowers appear with out leaves. Also leaves are
usually pinnate or decompound in Amorphophallus."

Yes I agree with Manudev and Pascal. I totally forgotten this fact. I was
thinking of unusual number of fruits for *Arisema*.
I am not familiar with *Arisaema murrayi. *May be if we get a complete
picture of leaf, we may able to tell.
Any way, new plant to me.


Thanks and Regards
Giby



On 11 November 2011 18:33, Pascal Bruggeman <coryba...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  All,
>
> I agree with Manudev, without more data impossible to say what it is, a
> close-up of the leaves would be very helpful as well as a close-up of the
> berries to see any remnants of stigma or spadix appendix. The leaflets seem
> too broad for an Amorphophallus and also the leaves of Amorphophallus are
> always divided in 3 equal parts at the center of the leaf where it is
> attached to the petiole. If from Sinhagad near Pune and indeed an Arisaema
> it could be either murrayi or a robust specimen of neglectum like Manudev
> says. Neglectum is NOT a synonym of tortuosum, there are several stable
> characters that distinguish them from eachother and they grow side by side
> in certain locaties in Maharahstra without producing hybrids. Length of
> pseudostem is comparable between murrayi and neglectum in most forms but in
> general not a reliable character.
>
> Pascal
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:11:59 +0530
> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:93713] identification no170811sn3
> From: manudevkmadha...@gmail.com
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> Giby ji,
>
> You can see an leaf associated with the infructescence. But leaflets are
> not clearly visible. I suppose that leaf belongs to the same plant only..
> Usually in *Arisaema*, peduncles are enclosed by the sheathing leaf base,
> forming a pseudostem. But in *A. murrayi *and some allied species from
> Northern Western Ghats, this pseudostem is either absent or much shorter
> compared to *Arisaema tortuosum*.
>
> But in Amorphophallus, being a biennial plant, flowers and leaves are
> never observed togusually flowers appear with out leaves. Also leaves are
> usually pinnate or decompound in Amorphophallus.
>
> I think, considering the presence of a leaf, we can rule out the chance
> for Amorphophallus.
> I had been to this locality last year and I could collect *Arisaema
> murrayi* from there, which more or less similar to this plant. But I can
> not confirm without flowers. We can not rule out the possibilty of *
> Arisaema* *neglectum* (now treated as a synonym of *Arisaema tortuosum*)
> also. I assume the leaflets to be  broad and obovate in shape, which is
> usually not seen in *A. neglectum*. Also the length of the psedostem not
> matching.
>
> A snap from another angle showing leaflets can supplement the evidences
> for the ID.
>
> with warm regards
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Giby Kuriakose 
> <giby.kuriak...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> But Manudev, the fruiting inflorescence (size), number of fruits (equal or
> more number of female flowers) and the leaves (whatever little visible)
> gives an impression that this could be a species *Amorphophallus  *to me.
>
> May be we will wait for more pictures in which we can see the leaves
> clearly.
> *
> *
> *
> *
> Regards,
> Giby* *
>   * *
>
> On 11 November 2011 12:03, manudev madhavan <manudevkmadha...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Could be a species of *Arisaema. But not possible to identify without
> seeing the habit and inflorescence. may be A. murrayi. I could collect A.
> murrayi from the same locality. *
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:53 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.
>
> Some earlier relevant feedback:
>
> “Do you have a picture of the leaves.
> It will be easier to confirm.
> Thanks
> Tanay”
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Satish Nikam* <satish_ni...@yahoo.com>
> Date: 17 August 2011 11:41
> Subject: [efloraofindia:77326] identification no170811sn3
> To: Indiantrees Pics <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
>
>
>  Kindly identify the plant.A wild guessArisaema tortuosum
> date/time:July/Aug
> location:mulshi,Pune
> habitat:wild
> plant habit:herb
> height/lenght:about 3 ft.
> leaves:--
> inflorescence:--
> thanks
> regards
> satish nikam
>
>
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