And interestingly my missing keyboard alphabet j gets pronounced as i in
Latin (Budleja and Budleia) and c always pronounced as s. By the way if
Karela and kareli are two different plants, it would be interesting to know
their names. My useful Plants of India (CSIR) lists both under Momordica
charantia.
Our Group had a long discussion on plant uploaded by a member as Sweet
Karela (a name commonly belonging to Momordica dioica) from NE India
(Frequently sold in Dareeling, Sikkim, Nepal as Chuchchey Karela), which
was finally identified as Cyclanthera pedata, the . Interestingly I found
this plant grown and sold in California, also found it being sold in Manali
(also as karela).
For many years in Kashmir I had known about a small karela being
grown in villages. Last year I saw it in Kashmir also, being called as
kareli (or chhota karela) by the owner of house. This plant was again
Cyclanthera pedata.
The name Sechium edule often gets mentioned when talking about Karela,
sold as Chayote squash in California, and sometimes simply squash in NE
India. I will upload both soon.
Gurcharan Singh
--
PS: Please bear with missing j in text, culprit keyboard of my make shift
laptop
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]>wrote:
> Momordica charantia is mentioned as Momordica karantia in few websites in
> internet.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=momordica+karantia&num=100&hl=en&safe=off&pwst=1&nfpr=1&prmd=imvns&filter=0&biw=1024&bih=677
>
>
> regards
>
> Pankaj Oudhia
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Many thanks Pankaj ji for digging into the Sanskrit names.
>> Regards.
>> Dinesh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Vaah kya baat hai. Maja aa gaya. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Back to
>>> कठिल्लक or कठिल्ल Dinesh ji. It seems that both Sanskrit words tell
>>> about some properties because these plants are also known as कठिल्लक
>>> or कठिल्ल
>>> रक्त पुनर्नवा , गदहपूरना, सांठ and तुलसी
>>>
>>> From other source
>>>
>>> कारवेल्ल, कारवल्ली are Sanskrit names for Karela.
>>> कारवेल्ली is name forकरेली
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Pankaj Oudhia
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Latin doesnt have CH as in Chacha and G as in Jeeta instead it is
>>>> pronounced as K as in Kaka and G as in Gadha :P.
>>>> So Chacha of LATIN should be pronounced as KAKA which actually means
>>>> the same in Hindi....
>>>> Funny....
>>>> Pankaj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Well said.
>>>> > I am tempted to change the pronunciation from char-AN-tee-a TO
>>>> kar-AN-tee-a
>>>> > !!
>>>> > Regards.
>>>> > Dinesh
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> By the way, this also means how the pronunciation of the species name
>>>> >> should be. Not charantia but karantia :)
>>>> >> Same as Orkid for Orchid.
>>>> >> Pankaj
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]
>>>> >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > Yes sir because it was originally described before Linne from
>>>> Malabar
>>>> >> > by Van Rheede.
>>>> >> > Pankaj
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Dinesh Valke <
>>>> [email protected]>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >> Dear Pankaj, in my mother tongue (Konkani), we call it by name
>>>> कारंतॅ
>>>> >> >> karante (kA-run-tay) or कारतॅ karate (kA-ruh-tay) OR काराते
>>>> kaaraate
>>>> >> >> (kA-rAh-tay)
>>>> >> >> When compiled names from various sources, was surprised to have
>>>> found
>>>> >> >> only
>>>> >> >> the Konkani name got closest to the epithet charantia.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Regards.
>>>> >> >> Dinesh
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar <
>>>> [email protected]>
>>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Interesting!!!
>>>> >> >>> See when you get down to scientific work you can show wonders!!
>>>> >> >>> Pankaj
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <
>>>> [email protected]>
>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> > चरन्ती, करन्ती, चरैन्ती - I am trying my Sanskrit name
>>>> Database just
>>>> >> >>> > as
>>>> >> >>> > wild
>>>> >> >>> > guess. Also written to my African friends to search this word
>>>> in
>>>> >> >>> > their
>>>> >> >>> > ancient dialects. It is also based on wild guess.
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > regards
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > Pankaj Oudhia
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Pankaj Kumar
>>>> >> >>> > <[email protected]>
>>>> >> >>> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> Sorry but I couldn't find any reference of this from
>>>> pre-linnean
>>>> >> >>> >> era !!
>>>> >> >>> >> Pankaj
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Pankaj Oudhia
>>>> >> >>> >> <[email protected]>
>>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >> > Charantia is pre linnaeus name.
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> > http://www.naturalpedia.com/charantia.html
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> > regards
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> > Pankaj Oudhia
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >> > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar
>>>> >> >>> >> > <[email protected]>
>>>> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> >> Oudhia sir to chha gaye ek dum :P....
>>>> >> >>> >> >> Thanks for the link. Will try to get this article. Since
>>>> long I
>>>> >> >>> >> >> am
>>>> >> >>> >> >> interested in knowing the origin of the species name
>>>> charantia
>>>> >> >>> >> >> but
>>>> >> >>> >> >> its
>>>> >> >>> >> >> not
>>>> >> >>> >> >> in Species Plantarum or anything before it. I have checked
>>>> >> >>> >> >> Hortus
>>>> >> >>> >> >> Cliffortianus and Flora Zeylanica by Linne.
>>>> >> >>> >> >> Pankaj
>>>> >> >>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> --
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>> >> >>> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!"
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
>>>> >> >>> >> Conservation Officer
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> Office:
>>>> >> >>> >> Orchid Conservation Section
>>>> >> >>> >> Flora Conservation Department
>>>> >> >>> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation
>>>> >> >>> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> Residence:
>>>> >> >>> >> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun
>>>> >> >>> >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> email: [email protected]
>>>> >> >>> >> [email protected]
>>>> >> >>> >> [email protected]
>>>> >> >>> >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm)
>>>> >> >>> >> +852 9436 6251 (mobile)
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> --
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>> >> >>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!"
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
>>>> >> >>> Conservation Officer
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Office:
>>>> >> >>> Orchid Conservation Section
>>>> >> >>> Flora Conservation Department
>>>> >> >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation
>>>> >> >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Residence:
>>>> >> >>> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun
>>>> >> >>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> email: [email protected]
>>>> >> >>> [email protected]
>>>> >> >>> [email protected]
>>>> >> >>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm)
>>>> >> >>> +852 9436 6251 (mobile)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> >
>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>> >> > "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!"
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
>>>> >> > Conservation Officer
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Office:
>>>> >> > Orchid Conservation Section
>>>> >> > Flora Conservation Department
>>>> >> > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation
>>>> >> > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Residence:
>>>> >> > 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun
>>>> >> > Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > email: [email protected]
>>>> >> > [email protected]
>>>> >> > [email protected]
>>>> >> > Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm)
>>>> >> > +852 9436 6251 (mobile)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >>
>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!"
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
>>>> >> Conservation Officer
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Office:
>>>> >> Orchid Conservation Section
>>>> >> Flora Conservation Department
>>>> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation
>>>> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Residence:
>>>> >> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun
>>>> >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> email: [email protected]
>>>> >> [email protected]
>>>> >> [email protected]
>>>> >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm)
>>>> >> +852 9436 6251 (mobile)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
>>>> Conservation Officer
>>>>
>>>> Office:
>>>> Orchid Conservation Section
>>>> Flora Conservation Department
>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation
>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.
>>>>
>>>> Residence:
>>>> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun
>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.
>>>>
>>>> email: [email protected]
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm)
>>>> +852 9436 6251 (mobile)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
