Considering that The Plant List is not always reliable, I have often suggested on this forum that let us keep our eyes (and options) open. GRIN is a good Database (though largely USA plants), so is The Plant List partly, and Sorting Plant names. We follow the one which has been updated more recently (for example if GRIN has been updated after 2010 and it carries different conclusion from PLant list, we follow GRIN). Plus if there is any recent publication, we follow that. I remember myself and Pankaj ji had exchanges for five-six hours in the night (myself in California and Pankaj ji in India) and did't leaves before the issue was resolved, and clinching document was Revision of Indian Ranunculus kindly sent by Pankaj ji to me, in the same way as original paper by Tabish ji recently helped us to detect and resolve the folly (rather blunder) in Flora of Pakistan (both online and hard copy versions) concerning Ipomoea sindica.
Let us all devote ourselves to understanding our Flora better, without any ego issues or ill-will. Our Group would be a much better place and all will enjoy the interaction. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>wrote: > Dear Sir > Firstly yes, India has been lagging behind w.r.t. to research and many > other things. We suffer from Diabetes and then go to a Baba who gives us > kheer and we eat the kheer thinking it will get rid of our diabetes. > But, in this context we cant compare ourselves with HK because HK is just > less than 1000 square kilometers and India is around 3,300,000 sq.kms. But > yes, then we can compare our advancement in science with China!! There are > so many rules and regulations made in India by ourselves that we cant do > proper research. I am a part of the project where we would be revising > Bulbophyllums of Asia. Now I need 100 species from India, just small leaf > piece but I cant. There are rules which stops me from doing it. There are > many species which are common with China and on both sides there are lot of > mistakes, because in both countries people didnt consult each other for the > betterment of science. > If we keep fighting, then we cant reach a solution. I am talking about > plants not politics!! > Regards > Pankaj > > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <pankajoud...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Thanks for the correction. If you search the net you will find KFBG and >> Kew just like synonyms. The book titled "The wild orchids of Hong Kong" >> says every thing. >> >> Just thinking why we Indians are not capable of leading the world like >> they are, having our brains? >> >> regards >> >> Pankaj Oudhia >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Hahaha big sorry >>> no the id is r.goave...@kew.org >>> >>> Pankaj >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Pankaj Oudhia >>> <pankajoud...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Hmm!! So he is from your corporation. >>>> >>>> That's why the effort is on to create "Honkongensis" in every orchid. >>>> Native species and native knowledge can not be patented but by creating >>>> this "Hongkongensis" it can be like Taxmati in place of our Basmati. >>>> >>>> It is good for their global business but very bad for the science of >>>> Taxonomy. >>>> >>>> Come back to India Sir ji. They are using our best brains for naming >>>> Indian species as "Honkongensis" >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Pankaj Kumar >>>> <sahanipan...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mr Govaerts is a nice person. He always replied to my mails when ever >>>>> I needed. But it would be better if you select the Family expert for a >>>>> species. The list of experts are given on following link. >>>>> http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/compilersReviewers.do >>>>> >>>>> If you write to Indian Liaison Officer then usually they dont reply :P >>>>> I would request Gurcharan sir to find the email ids of the expert and >>>>> write to them. Mr. R. Govaerts id is: r.govae...@kfbg.org >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <pankajoud...@gmail.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well. Just checked the Kew List. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/qsearch.do >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems confused like the Plant List.;( >>>>>> >>>>>> In fact, the plant list just copied the content of Kew. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any other source for try? >>>>>> >>>>>> It is better to invite R.Govaerts ji for real discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>> sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes sir. But my first concern I laid few months back when Plant List >>>>>>> came into exsistence. I imagine why there was a need for Plant List >>>>>>> when we >>>>>>> already had Kew's Checklist. >>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>> pankajoud...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Plant List is quoted in our group so frequently. In this case >>>>>>>> the statement made by both of us seems correct. If The Plant List is >>>>>>>> itself >>>>>>>> confused or in developing stage then I feel that it must not be quoted >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> scientific discussions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please give your comments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>>> sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=57084 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This one sir. Irony is many of the scientists at both plant list >>>>>>>>> and this link are common, but they have different opinion at different >>>>>>>>> places, mainly because all dont pay attention to all of the taxa. Its >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> huge plant world out there after all, of which more than 50% still >>>>>>>>> remains >>>>>>>>> unexplored...... >>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>> pankajoud...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your reply. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> May I know the exact references you are quoting so that I can >>>>>>>>>> forward it to the mentor of the specific page at the Plant List for >>>>>>>>>> correction. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Everything on internet (including The Plant List) cant be right >>>>>>>>>>> sir. >>>>>>>>>>> There was a huge discussion and some articles dealing with this >>>>>>>>>>> issue after Dr. H.P.Wood changed the name of Dendrobium aphyllum to >>>>>>>>>>> Dendrobium cucullatum. But recently there was another article by >>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Andre >>>>>>>>>>> Schuiteman which changed the names back based on relevant >>>>>>>>>>> discussions. >>>>>>>>>>> Many still believe that cucullatum, aphyllum, pierardii are same >>>>>>>>>>> (Checklist of Monocots, Goaverts et al. 2012). So we should wait for >>>>>>>>>>> further more discussions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>>>> pankajoud...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The synonym (With 3 star confidence level) of Dendrobium >>>>>>>>>>>> cucullatum is *Dendrobium* *pierardii* Roxb. ex >>>>>>>>>>>> Hook.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-58701> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Another synonym is *Dendrobium* *aphyllum* var. *cucullatum* >>>>>>>>>>>> (R.Br.) >>>>>>>>>>>> P.K.Sarkar <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-57085> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But the confidence level is of only one star. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Source: http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-57520 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>> sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes now it is called Dendrobium aphyllum as before. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>>>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Office: >>>>>>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Residence: >>>>>>>>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>>>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> email: pku...@kbfg.org; sahanipan...@gmail.com; >>>>>>>>>>> pankajsah...@rediffmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>>>>>>>> 6251 (mobile). Fax: +852 2483 7194 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Office: >>>>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Residence: >>>>>>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> email: pku...@kbfg.org; sahanipan...@gmail.com; >>>>>>>>> pankajsah...@rediffmail.com >>>>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>>>>>> 6251(mobile). Fax: +852 >>>>>>>>> 2483 7194 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Office: >>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Residence: >>>>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> email: pku...@kbfg.org; sahanipan...@gmail.com; >>>>>>> pankajsah...@rediffmail.com >>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>>>> 6251(mobile). Fax: +852 >>>>>>> 2483 7194 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>> >>>>> Office: >>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>> >>>>> Residence: >>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>> >>>>> email: pku...@kbfg.org; sahanipan...@gmail.com; >>>>> pankajsah...@rediffmail.com >>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>> 6251(mobile). Fax: +852 >>>>> 2483 7194 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ********************************************************************** >>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>> >>> >>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>> Conservation Officer >>> >>> Office: >>> Orchid Conservation Section >>> Flora Conservation Department >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> Residence: >>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> email: pku...@kbfg.org; sahanipan...@gmail.com; >>> pankajsah...@rediffmail.com >>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251(mobile). >>> Fax: +852 >>> 2483 7194 >>> >> >> > > > -- > ********************************************************************** > "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. > Conservation Officer > > Office: > Orchid Conservation Section > Flora Conservation Department > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > Residence: > 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > email: pku...@kbfg.org; sahanipan...@gmail.com; > pankajsah...@rediffmail.com > Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 > (mobile). Fax: +852 2483 7194 >
