Bhagyashri: so what is the butterfly? that part of conversation did not my email somehow, broken thread?
usha di == On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Bhagyashri <[email protected]> wrote: > Many thanks Dr.Jacob for the Id of the butterfly :) > > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM, ushadi Micromini < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Pankaj: >> I knew it! you are not only a nice kid (sometimes high pitta) you are >> also a creative kid... >> love it... good for you... >> Vermiculiphily.: though strictly scientific is also playful and sounds >> like supercalifragilisticexpialidosious... something mary poppins would >> rattle off or Sukumar Ray;'s AAbol taabol nonsense rhymes may sound off... >> I'll download the pdf s and read 'em in am... >> will write to you then >> >> >> Question of pheromone may be easy now in this decade to set up hypothesis >> and test it... but question of just scent/perfume for perfumes' sake .. >> as in just simply liking it versus for reproductive imperative.. is >> difficult to set up in Humans ... so I wonder how could it be tested in >> insects... one needs to deeply ponder ... esp during the alpha states of >> the mind/ brian activity and come up with creative protocols and set ups... >> one would need a suitable insect to study... etc etc.. >> >> In the mean time I'll to share with you and all members of Eflora a utube >> video..short really put up by the TED director himself ... >> about how flowers and insects may have co-evolved etc... a beautifully >> done short video well presented too... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmVZ8zXJO48 >> >> Jonathan Drori: The beautiful tricks of flowers >> >> >> enjoy >> Usha di >> ====== >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Good morning Usha mam >>> Sorry for the late reply, I some how missed this post. >>> I couldnt find any article which proves about Gongora but there is >>> another article about pollination by cricket which I am attaching. >>> There is second article on Epipactis veratrifolia also which I am >>> attaching. This finding was published when I was writing my article >>> and yes I have less facilities and money to work with but what I added >>> was a new means of pollination by larvae. I coined this term >>> Vermiculiphily. >>> There are ways to do chemical analysis of pheromones and other >>> volatiles but in case of Gongora, the scent is not used as pheromone >>> but perfume, so I imagine how it can be proved!! May be people with >>> more resources would be able to do it somewhere some day. Please check >>> the process in Pollination by hoverflies article. >>> Best regards >>> Pankaj >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:17 PM, ushadi Micromini >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > pankaj ...i agree with all above >>> > loved the video.. >>> > >>> > question ... how does one prove the hypothesis about scent being the >>> target >>> > for the bees, and not the oil per se for some sort of protection >>> against the >>> > sun/uv or predator... >>> > are these questions exclude able? or >>> > excluded by others before you? >>> > >>> > like to read ... from you or refs >>> > thanks >>> > usha di >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Pankaj ji >>> >> Thanks for sharing so many things including your observations. >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < >>> [email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> All animals that visit the flowers may not be pollinators. Its not >>> very >>> >>> strange. But those visitors like >>> >>> 3 & 4: Insect on flower so yes it can be pollinator. There is a term >>> >>> called head space. in pic no. 3, the insect, the way it enters >>> the flower, >>> >>> doesnt look like it can pollinate the flower!! >>> >>> 6: The butterfly is not on the flower, just the calyx, hence it is >>> >>> looking for something else on non reproductive parts. Probably not a >>> >>> pollinator. >>> >>> 7: Too small to be a pollinator >>> >>> 9 & 10: again not on flowers but the persistent calyx, hence may not >>> be >>> >>> pollinators. >>> >>> Studies on pollinators are really interesting topic which Indians >>> have >>> >>> been avoiding. There are so many endemic plants in India. Point is >>> why they >>> >>> are endemic??? One of the reasons may be the limitation of >>> pollinators. We >>> >>> should encourage people to work on this aspect of botany. Its very >>> >>> interesting and we can get lot of good information out of it. The >>> best thing >>> >>> is, its a multidisciplinary subject: botany, entomology, ecology, >>> >>> chemistry, behaviorial ecology.... >>> >>> Some on take up this task please. >>> >>> In HK I am studying an Orchid called Bulbophyllum bicolor. It is >>> supposed >>> >>> to be endemic to HK. But till now I have seen around 4 insects >>> visiting, but >>> >>> they were never able to pollinate. The plant doesnt set fruit in >>> wild but >>> >>> they occur in wild at many localities. I am coming up with some very >>> >>> interesting findings. While studying it, I found some secretions on >>> >>> the flower surface. Just while I was studying this species, I spent >>> some >>> >>> time on another Bulbophyllum laxiflorum. Insects were coming and >>> spending >>> >>> lot of time outside flower as if they were collecting something from >>> the >>> >>> surface of petals and sepals which till now has not been reported >>> from this >>> >>> genus. >>> >>> Then I came across interesting works done on another orchid called >>> >>> Gongora. In this, the bees collect FRAGRANCE from the floral parts to >>> >>> attract females. They collect and apply the fragrance over their >>> body and >>> >>> while doing so, they pollinate the flowers. Isnt that >>> interesting..... :)) >>> >>> Watch the video. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchidtalk/genus-specific/26352-gongora-pollinators-wild.html >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Pankaj >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, 29 May 2012 22:28:14 UTC+8, Bhagyashri Ranade wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>> >>>> May 2012 Pune. >>> >>>> Found 4 pollinators foraging the small herb of Ocimum tenuiflorum >>> (Tulas >>> >>>> in Marathi) at my home. >>> >>>> The ?wasp and ?bees were seen around 11.00 am to 2.00pm followed by >>> the >>> >>>> butterfly and the insect in the late evening. >>> >>>> pic 3&4 -is it yellow jacket wasp? >>> >>>> Pic 6- is it Common Cerulean? >>> >>>> Please validate >>> >>>> Would appreciate your help to Id the bees and the insect too. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Thanks and regards >>> >>>> Bhagyashri >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Dr Satish Phadke >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Usha di >>> > =========== >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ********************************************************************** >>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>> >>> >>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>> Conservation Officer >>> >>> Office: >>> Orchid Conservation Section >>> Flora Conservation Department >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> Residence: >>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> >>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>> [email protected] >>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 >>> (mobile). Fax: +852 2483 7194 >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Usha di >> =========== >> ======== >> >> > > > -- > Regards > Bhagyashri > -- Usha di ===========
