Good morning Usha di, >From Dr Jacob Thomas Pic 6 is Chilades pandava (Common Name: Cycad blue butterfly, Plane cupid)
Thank you Usha di for sharing the link of the wonderful video showing about how flowers and insects may have co-evolved On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 7:11 AM, ushadi Micromini <[email protected]>wrote: > Bhagyashri: so what is the butterfly? > that part of conversation did not my email somehow, broken thread? > > usha di > == > > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Bhagyashri <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Many thanks Dr.Jacob for the Id of the butterfly :) >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM, ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Pankaj: >>> I knew it! you are not only a nice kid (sometimes high pitta) you are >>> also a creative kid... >>> love it... good for you... >>> Vermiculiphily.: though strictly scientific is also playful and sounds >>> like supercalifragilisticexpialidosious... something mary poppins would >>> rattle off or Sukumar Ray;'s AAbol taabol nonsense rhymes may sound off... >>> I'll download the pdf s and read 'em in am... >>> will write to you then >>> >>> >>> Question of pheromone may be easy now in this decade to set up >>> hypothesis and test it... but question of just scent/perfume for >>> perfumes' sake .. as in just simply liking it versus for reproductive >>> imperative.. is difficult to set up in Humans ... so I wonder how could it >>> be tested in insects... one needs to deeply ponder ... esp during the alpha >>> states of the mind/ brian activity and come up with creative protocols and >>> set ups... one would need a suitable insect to study... etc etc.. >>> >>> In the mean time I'll to share with you and all members of Eflora a >>> utube video..short really put up by the TED director himself ... >>> about how flowers and insects may have co-evolved etc... a beautifully >>> done short video well presented too... >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmVZ8zXJO48 >>> >>> Jonathan Drori: The beautiful tricks of flowers >>> >>> >>> enjoy >>> Usha di >>> ====== >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Good morning Usha mam >>>> Sorry for the late reply, I some how missed this post. >>>> I couldnt find any article which proves about Gongora but there is >>>> another article about pollination by cricket which I am attaching. >>>> There is second article on Epipactis veratrifolia also which I am >>>> attaching. This finding was published when I was writing my article >>>> and yes I have less facilities and money to work with but what I added >>>> was a new means of pollination by larvae. I coined this term >>>> Vermiculiphily. >>>> There are ways to do chemical analysis of pheromones and other >>>> volatiles but in case of Gongora, the scent is not used as pheromone >>>> but perfume, so I imagine how it can be proved!! May be people with >>>> more resources would be able to do it somewhere some day. Please check >>>> the process in Pollination by hoverflies article. >>>> Best regards >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:17 PM, ushadi Micromini >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > pankaj ...i agree with all above >>>> > loved the video.. >>>> > >>>> > question ... how does one prove the hypothesis about scent being the >>>> target >>>> > for the bees, and not the oil per se for some sort of protection >>>> against the >>>> > sun/uv or predator... >>>> > are these questions exclude able? or >>>> > excluded by others before you? >>>> > >>>> > like to read ... from you or refs >>>> > thanks >>>> > usha di >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Pankaj ji >>>> >> Thanks for sharing so many things including your observations. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> All animals that visit the flowers may not be pollinators. Its not >>>> very >>>> >>> strange. But those visitors like >>>> >>> 3 & 4: Insect on flower so yes it can be pollinator. There is a term >>>> >>> called head space. in pic no. 3, the insect, the way it enters >>>> the flower, >>>> >>> doesnt look like it can pollinate the flower!! >>>> >>> 6: The butterfly is not on the flower, just the calyx, hence it is >>>> >>> looking for something else on non reproductive parts. Probably not a >>>> >>> pollinator. >>>> >>> 7: Too small to be a pollinator >>>> >>> 9 & 10: again not on flowers but the persistent calyx, hence may >>>> not be >>>> >>> pollinators. >>>> >>> Studies on pollinators are really interesting topic which Indians >>>> have >>>> >>> been avoiding. There are so many endemic plants in India. Point is >>>> why they >>>> >>> are endemic??? One of the reasons may be the limitation of >>>> pollinators. We >>>> >>> should encourage people to work on this aspect of botany. Its very >>>> >>> interesting and we can get lot of good information out of it. The >>>> best thing >>>> >>> is, its a multidisciplinary subject: botany, entomology, ecology, >>>> >>> chemistry, behaviorial ecology.... >>>> >>> Some on take up this task please. >>>> >>> In HK I am studying an Orchid called Bulbophyllum bicolor. It is >>>> supposed >>>> >>> to be endemic to HK. But till now I have seen around 4 insects >>>> visiting, but >>>> >>> they were never able to pollinate. The plant doesnt set fruit in >>>> wild but >>>> >>> they occur in wild at many localities. I am coming up with some very >>>> >>> interesting findings. While studying it, I found some secretions on >>>> >>> the flower surface. Just while I was studying this species, I spent >>>> some >>>> >>> time on another Bulbophyllum laxiflorum. Insects were coming and >>>> spending >>>> >>> lot of time outside flower as if they >>>> were collecting something from the >>>> >>> surface of petals and sepals which till now has not been reported >>>> from this >>>> >>> genus. >>>> >>> Then I came across interesting works done on another orchid called >>>> >>> Gongora. In this, the bees collect FRAGRANCE from the floral parts >>>> to >>>> >>> attract females. They collect and apply the fragrance over their >>>> body and >>>> >>> while doing so, they pollinate the flowers. Isnt that >>>> interesting..... :)) >>>> >>> Watch the video. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchidtalk/genus-specific/26352-gongora-pollinators-wild.html >>>> >>> Best wishes >>>> >>> Pankaj >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Tuesday, 29 May 2012 22:28:14 UTC+8, Bhagyashri Ranade wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> May 2012 Pune. >>>> >>>> Found 4 pollinators foraging the small herb of Ocimum tenuiflorum >>>> (Tulas >>>> >>>> in Marathi) at my home. >>>> >>>> The ?wasp and ?bees were seen around 11.00 am to 2.00pm followed >>>> by the >>>> >>>> butterfly and the insect in the late evening. >>>> >>>> pic 3&4 -is it yellow jacket wasp? >>>> >>>> Pic 6- is it Common Cerulean? >>>> >>>> Please validate >>>> >>>> Would appreciate your help to Id the bees and the insect too. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Thanks and regards >>>> >>>> Bhagyashri >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Dr Satish Phadke >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Usha di >>>> > =========== >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ********************************************************************** >>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>> Conservation Officer >>>> >>>> Office: >>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >>>> Residence: >>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >>>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>> [email protected] >>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 >>>> (mobile). Fax: +852 2483 7194 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Usha di >>> =========== >>> ======== >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> Bhagyashri >> > > > > -- > Usha di > =========== > > -- Regards Bhagyashri
