Thank you very much Garg ji for resurfacing the post and forwarding Krishan ji's response. Many many thanks to Krishan ji for the ID. Regards. Dinesh
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 2:53 PM, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote: > A reply: > "In my opinion it is Pedicularis puctata. > Krishan Lal" > > On 29 August 2012 15:48, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >> >> Some earlier relevant feedback: >> >> “Yes Dinesh ji *most likely Pedicularis punctata* another less likely >> option is P siphonantha” from Balkar ji. >> >> >> >> “Pennell does not record P. siphonantha from Western Himalayas, but Nepal >> Checklist does >> >> P. siphonantha differs from P. punctata (leaf lobes 4-6 pairs) and P. >> hookeriana (leaf lobes 6-12 pairs) in corolla tube being more than 4 times >> as long as calyx. I can't see the calyx in any flower in focus, but *corolla >> tube appears sufficiently long to place it in P. siphonantha, but if >> corolla tube is shorter, closest match should be P. hookeriana.* >> >> -- >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh” >> >> >> >> “My observations: >> >> Leaf lobes are more towards ( 4 - 6 pairs ). The corolla tube varies from >> short to long. >> Bit of hairy calyx can be observed in this picture ... >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/7832459570/sizes/o/in/photostream/ >> Many thanks. >> >> Regards. >> >> Dinesh” >> >> >> >> "We must look at lower leaves, not floral leaves. Pl. see the number of >> lobes in the first photograph. >> You may please compare with P. punctata uploaded by me from Kashmir. >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/indiantreepix/Pedicularis$20punctata$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/Ag98ayVboms/AgyGaTfPo3EJ >> You may additionally see a lower (middle) leaf attached here. -- Dr. >> Gurcharan Singh" >> "Yes Gurcharan ji ... I was looking at the leaves that I could see at the >> top ! >> >> *Indeed bottom leaf has more such lobes,* but cannot exactly get to a >> figure as it is hidden in most of my photos. >> Regards. >> Dinesh" >> >> "*Frank Smythe records Pedicularis siphonantha from Valley of Flowers >> in 1935*. >> Can't contribute anything else to the discussion right now. >> - Tabish" >> >> "Yes Tabish ji >> Tube length is distinctive, plus it can be compared with my P. punctata >> fromk Gulmarg, Kashmir (link given above). >> -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh" >> >> "But the *West Himalayan counterpart with long tube is P. hookeriana* as >> detailed by Pennell >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh" >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> Date: 22 August 2012 19:07 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:125489] VoF Week :: DV :: 02 AUG 12 - 1126 :: >> Pedicularis ¿ punctata ? at Valley of Flowers >> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> >> >> [image: Valley of >> Flowers]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7795632618%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfiscXcV1ezkljkoVaSBkd-7VO2FQ> >> 2 >> AUG 12 >> Valley of Flowers ... about 11000 - 12000 ft >> ------------------------------ >> Dear friends, ID please. >> *Habitat*: sloping meadow >> *Habit*: small shrub, about 30 - 40 cm high, flower: about 2 - 2.5 cm >> long, 1 - 1.5 cm across >> >> >> [image: Pedicularis ¿ punctata >> ?]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832453424%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzeW1kpg0zQ0W3Fyv7raohLzML3qEg> >> >> [image: Pedicularis ¿ punctata >> ?]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832467170%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcUREYNkyzSXqQIi3yeUH9uM9uMtA> >> [image: >> Pedicularis ¿ punctata >> ?]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832447264%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc-ZvWDOr5LN2YSoqTArtZpfPqzeg> >> [image: >> Pedicularis ¿ punctata >> ?]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7832459570%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzerFCOk0g0j_UkbyDjS-lSuiUW_rg> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species*& >> eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged >> alphabetically & place-wise): >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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