Surajit ji If it is between these two species you can easily decide from this::
Mallotus repandus: Climbing shrubs; stipules triangular, ca. 1 mm; petiole 1.5-6 cm; leaf blade 3.5-10 × 2.5-7 cm, papery, base broadly cuneate; male inflorescences terminal with branches few or absent; bracts subulate, ca. 1.5 mm. Male flowers 2-5-fascicled;female inflorescences 5-8 cm; bracts ca. 2 mm. sepals 2-3 mm; ovary 2- or 3-locular; Fruiting pedicel 8-12 mm; capsule yellowish-brownish tomentulose, scattered glandular-scaly. Mallotus tetracoccus: Trees 5-15 m tall; stipules ovate-triangular, 1.5-3 mm; petiole 6-15 cm; leaf blade 10-25 × 9-20 cm, base obtuse or truncate; male inflorescences terminal, branched; bracts triangular, 1-1.5 mm; male flowers 3-9-fascicled; female inflorescences paniculate, 9-14 cm, tomentose; bracts 3-5 mm; sepals 3-4 mm; often 4-loculed; fruiting pedicel 5 mm long; capsule depressed globose, gray tomentose and densely shortly softly spiny, spines stellate-pubescent. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:37 AM, surajit koley < surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sir, > > I will certainly keep watching this plant. If it is a dioecious plant > there won't be any fruit on this very individual, but there might also be a > female plant nearby. Will take a note. > > Regards, > > surajit > > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Many of us may be experts in our own field, occupying high positions and >> treat people accordingly in our institution, but when we are joining such a >> forum, where more than ninety percent members may not understand a bit of >> botany, but have passion for photography and love for plants, we have to >> interact accordingly, keeping dignity of each member in mind. >> I may make a very wild guess, knowing well that I am doing this to >> keep the thread moving.......but if some one else tells me that you have >> made a wild guess.....perhaps not good for the health and progress of the >> group. >> I have seen phase of both spending days in herbaria around the world >> for more than 40 years, and just 5 years behind a DSLR camera and vast >> electronic information on the web, and frankly agree, I must have learnt 10 >> times more in these five years than I learnt about Flora of India and >> outside in last forty years.........All credit to well-knit family of >> efloraofindia, who love sharing information. >> I think there is no harm in consulting eflora of China, since it >> covers most of our Flora, is one of the very recent treatments, and a >> thorough one at that.....and more so since both species under consideration >> are discussed and keyed. It is also accessible to all. Perhaps Surajit ji >> will know the true identity, once it comes to fruit, or even earlier. He is >> our one of the most hard working members and needs encouragement. >> >> My frequent request to members (more so to experts). Just give your >> opinion, if you have contradictory views back them up with appropriate >> evidence, ........but please don't pass judgement on others........This >> will keep the Group healthy and progressing. >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:53 AM, surajit koley < >> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sir, >>> >>> I apologize for any audacity i have expressed in my earlier mails. >>> >>> Being only an amateur photographer i only try to compare images with >>> those available in the net and take help in this group to know the id of >>> plants i see around me. I thought this plant is the same what had been >>> recorded in "Bengal Plants" as *Mallotus albus* Muell.-Arg. >>> >>> I am very sorry for my last email and i understand that photographic >>> comparison or Flora of China is not the last word. >>> >>> Thank you very much. >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <tchak...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Sir, >>>> I request you to follow the undermentioned steps for satisfactory >>>> identification of your photographs which is without any voucher specimen >>>> (and you are not satisfied with the identification): >>>> First, please try to learn the range of variation of a widespread >>>> species. Just forget about the flowering and fruiting time. Do you think >>>> that it is a new species as it is differing from Flora of China. Then just >>>> publish it. >>>> Second, instead of looking at Flora of China, please consult the >>>> following publication: The family Euphorbiaceae in India by >>>> N.P.Balakrishnan and T. Chakrabarty, published in 2007 by Bishen Singh >>>> Mahendra Pal Singh, Dehra Dun. >>>> Third, please collect a specimen of your object and preserve it. Next, >>>> visit Central National Herbarium, Howrah one day and compare your specimen >>>> with the specimens of Mallotus repandus. >>>> I hope, you will get the identity of your photographs. Please remember >>>> that photographic identification is never authentic. >>>> Regards, >>>> T. Chakrabarty. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:05 PM, surajit koley < >>>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you very much Sir. >>>>> >>>>> But, the leaf pictures of *Mallotus repandus* (Willd.) Müll.Arg., >>>>> found in the FoC, looks different to me - >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200012594. >>>>> Moreover flowering time also differs, that can also be found in the >>>>> description of *Rottlera dicocca* >>>>> Roxb.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-338096>in the Flora >>>>> Indica<http://ia600607.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000967882&itemPath=%2F18%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000967882&server=ia600607.us.archive.org&page=n834_w1150.jpg> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:58 AM, jmgarg1 <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A reply: >>>>>> "I do no remember the particular enquiries on Euphorbiaceae. However >>>>>> I am giving the following identifications. >>>>>> ......................................... >>>>>> Euphorbiaceae: Trevia, Croton and etc. perhaps from West Bengal:* It >>>>>> is Mallotus repandus.* >>>>>> Happy new year. >>>>>> Tapas Chakrabarty." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 29 December 2012 20:59, Giby Kuriakose >>>>>> <giby.kuriak...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It is neither Trewia nor Mallotus tetracoccus. >>>>>>> I think this is a straggling species. I think it could be a species >>>>>>> of Crotton >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Giby >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 December 2012 14:28, jmgarg1 <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A reply: >>>>>>>> "I think I am mistaken, >>>>>>>> after detailed studies, I find that the leaves in Trevia are >>>>>>>> opposite whereas the leaves here are stated to be alternate. Please >>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>> me one or two days for further confirmation. It might be a species of >>>>>>>> Mallotus. >>>>>>>> Wishing you all a happy and prosperous new year. >>>>>>>> TC." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29 December 2012 13:22, jmgarg1 <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A reply: >>>>>>>>> "Yes, >>>>>>>>> It is Trevia nudiflora, perhaps var. nudiflora. Fl. Malesiana >>>>>>>>> people reduced it to Mallotus. The references are as follows: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Trevia nudiflora* L., Sp. Pl. 1193. 1753; Müll.Arg. in DC., >>>>>>>>> Prodr. 15(2): 953. 1866; Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 423. 1887. *Mallotus >>>>>>>>> nudiflorus* (L.) Kulju & Welzen, Blumea 52: 124. 2007." from >>>>>>>>> Tapas Chakrabarty ji. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 28 December 2012 21:41, jmgarg1 <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you Sir, this is a tree, found another one, about 20 >>>>>>>>>> ft high. >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Surajit Ji. This is a member of Euphorbiaceae (Flowers are yet >>>>>>>>>> to open). I think once temperature increase they will start >>>>>>>>>> flowering.Please check Trewia? >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> Prasad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much Prasad Ji, >>>>>>>>>> This seems to be *Mallotus tetracoccus* (Roxb.) Kurz as in - >>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=109915&flora_id=2and >>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242331439 >>>>>>>>>> Attaching new pictures, recorded today. >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> efi site link: >>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/euphorbiaceae/mallotus/mallotus-tetracoccus >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: surajit koley <surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 14 December 2012 21:49 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:140578] tree or shrub from Hooghly >>>>>>>>>> 14/12/12 sk >>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Found this tree or shrub beside a road in a dense thicket, it was >>>>>>>>>> not possible to ascertain if it was a tree or not. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Species : UNKNOWN >>>>>>>>>> H & H : tree or shrub, leaves alternate, one or two branches bear >>>>>>>>>> spine >>>>>>>>>> Date : 14/12/12, 1.30 p.m. >>>>>>>>>> Place : Hooghly >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can >>>>>>>>>> also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached >>>>>>>>>> with each image. >>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group: >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 2015 >>>>>>>>>> members & 1,39,500 messages on 30/11/12) or Efloraofindia website: >>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species >>>>>>>>>> database of more than 7500 species). >>>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common >>>>>>>>>> Birds of India'. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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