Dear Colleague,

Even as early as the Rig Veda there is evidence, both for ṣ occurring after 
a-vowels and for s occurring after i- and u-vowels. See the evidence further 
below.

What made the distribution of s and ṣ unpredictable is the fact that 
Proto-Indo-Iranian š, the source of Skt. ṣ is of two sources. One if the 
development of earlier s to š after “RUKI” (i.e. r-sounds, u-sounds, velars, 
and i-sounds; in the case of the vocalic sounds, both syllabic and 
nonsyllabic); the other was the development of PIE *ḱ to š before obstruent. 
Examples are nis- > niš ‘down’ and oḱtō > aštā ‘eight’.

As the second example shows, the second of these changes introduced š after 
a-vowels and thus made the RUKI outcome of s opaque and hence contrastive 
(consider e.g. Skt. asta- ‘thrown’ beside aṣṭā(u) ‘8’, with s and ṣ contrasting 
after a-vowel.

This contrastiveness, in turn, made it possible for analogical processes to 
extend ṣ into contexts after a-vowels (as in pary-a-ṣasvajat) as well as for 
borrowings and the like with ṣ after a-vowels and s after “RUKI” to be adopted 
without further adjustment.

All the best,

Hans Henrich Hock
Linguistics and Sanskrit (emeritus)
University of Illinois

Contrastiveness of retroflex sibilant in Sanskrit
Unpredictable occurrences after a-vowels in the RV
áṣāḍha ‘invicible’
áṣatarā ‘more beneficial’ (1.183.4)
kaváṣa (PN) (534.12)
cā́ṣa ‘Häher’ (923.13)
jálāṣa ‘healing’ (1.43.4 in compound)
caṣā́la ‘Knauf der Opfersäule’ (1.162.6)
váṣaṭ (ritual call) (passim)
Note also
paryaṣasvajat (pluperf.) ‘embraced’
Contrastive and unpredictable examples after a-vowels in later Vedic
mā́ṣa ‘bean’
mā́sa ‘moon, month’
bhāṣ- ‘speak’
bhās- ‘shine’
jhaṣá ‘large fish’
Some Post-Vedic examples after a-vowels
kaṣ- ‘rub, scratch’
kas- ‘go, move’ (DhP)
laṣ- ‘desire’ (MBh etc.)
Dental sibilant (s) after i- and u-vowels in Vedic
ṛbī́sa ‘cleft, gap’ (RV)
kīstá ‘singer’ (RV)
kúsindha ‘trunk’ (AV)
Some examples of ental sibilant (s) after i- and u-vowels in Post-Vedic
kisalaya ‘sprout, shoot’
kusuma ‘flower’
bisa ‘shoot, sucker’









On 23 Aug2021, at 14:11, Jim Ryan via INDOLOGY 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Hi,
A question: I go back to a memory (possibly incorrect) of hearing from a 
linguistics teacher at UW (long ago) that the retro-flex "ṣ" in Sanskrit was 
"barely phonemic." A  former student who had studied, through his Ph.D. exams, 
historical linguistics at UCLA focusing on Indo-European (maybe also 
Indo-Aryan) insisted that this sound was not phonemic. From time to time I'd 
encounter the issue in articles/books and found that the consensus seemed to 
favor this understanding. I used to challenge my student from time to time to 
test this, somehow, I suppose, wanting to vindicate my long ago teacher's 
position (or at least what I thought I recalled it to be). I've thought 
recently of two examples: the verbal root bhāṣ - “to speak.” and ṣaṣ (six). In 
neither case is there a "non-a vowel" preceding the sibilant, which would 
ordinarily condition retroflexion. In the case of "six,"  the ṣ is initial 
also.  How do we explain these instances in accord with the non-phonemic nature 
of ṣ?

Jim Ryan
Asian Philosophies and Cultures (Emeritus)
California Institute of Integral Studies
1453 Mission St.
San Francisco, CA 94103

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