Regarding our possible pedagogical redundancy: Bhagavad-gītā: 14.6 tatra sattvaṃ nirmalatvāt prakāśakam 14.7 sattvāt sañjāyate jñānaṃ
I take this to mean that there is a unique, inspiring, and irreplaceable role for the virtuous teacher. Best, Howard > On Nov 27, 2023, at 7:10 PM, Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY > <[email protected]> wrote: > > To my mind, the more pressing question is whether AI will imminently obviate > our work as teachers, linguists, translators and philologists, and render us > completely redundant in any sort of pedagogical role. > AV. > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 8:13 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Minor clarification. The examples I gave are from Google Translate not >> ChaptGPT but clearly what you say makes sense to that also. >> I'm wondering how does an AI application learn how to translate a language. >> Do human beings program in a bunch of translation rules of how to translate >> language x to language y and then these human beings refine the rules over >> time. Or is there a kind of general artificial intelligence programmed into >> a computer that is just fed thousands of sentences and their translations >> and from that it learns how to translate language x to language y and with >> more sentences fed in, it itself refines its translation ability.? In other >> words learning language translation almost like a human being, by practice. >> >> Harry Spier >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 5:39 PM Antonia Ruppel <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> The use of the past active participle to render the English past active is >>> to be expected: it’s the standard/most common way to render the past tense >>> in modern/spoken Sanskrit as taught eg by Samskrta Bharati, and I assume >>> that that’s the sort of Sanskrit that ChatGPT is trained on. Not applying >>> external sandhi also is not uncommon in modern Sanskrit, at least as used >>> by those who aren’t complete masters of the language the way eg Madhav is. >>> >>> Antonia >>> >>> On Mon 27 Nov 2023 at 23:29, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Madhav wrote: >>>>> I hear that students are already beginning to use Google-Translator to do >>>>> their Sanskrit homework. >>>>> >>>> I just did a little experiment. Taking a few of the english translations >>>> in Apte's "The Student's Guide to Sanskrit Composition" and comparing >>>> what Google Translator gave as a sanskrit translation of these, and >>>> comparing to the original sanskrit quotes . A couple of surprising things >>>> stood out. Surprising because these are fundamental things nothing >>>> subtle. Google translator seems to use sanskrit past active participle to >>>> translate english simple past. It doesn't seem to apply visarga sandhi, a >>>> completely mechanical process. >>>> >>>> In these examples, the yellow highlighted sanskrit is the citation from >>>> Apte, the blue highlighted sanskrit is the google sanskrit translation of >>>> Apte's english translation given below. >>>> >>>> Rama saw govinda >>>> rāmo govindamapaśyat >>>> rāmaḥ govindaṁ dṛṣṭavān >>>> >>>> I Salute the parents of the universe, Parvati and Paramesvara. >>>> jagataḥ pitarau vande pārvatīparameśvarau >>>> viśvasya mātāpitarau pārvatīṁ parameśvaraṁ ca namāmi >>>> >>>> He washed his hands and feet. >>>> hastau pādau cākṣālayat >>>> saḥ hastapādau prakṣālitavān। >>>> >>>> She shut her eyes >>>> sā locane nyamīlayat | >>>> sā netrāṇi nimīlitavatī >>>> >>>> So says the revered Shankara >>>> iti śrīśaṁkārācāryāḥ | >>>> tathā vadati pūjyaḥ śaṅkaraḥ। >>>> >>>> Thou art, therefore, a friend. >>>> tasmāt sakhā tvam asi >>>> tena tvaṁ mitram asi >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > -- > Ananya Vajpeyi > https://www.csds.in/ananya_vajpeyi > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology
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