>> And won't such a new book of tutorials have to be published? .....
> Books done in Scribus can be "published" in a variety of ways,.... Yes, I understand that. But I thought Victor was talking about a hardback book, like at the link he provided. That kind of book is hard to get published, unless you have some prior agreement with a publisher. At least that's my understanding. Somewhere in this thread was some discussion about licensing. If this is to be a hardback book (old fashioned way of publishing) *to me* it makes more sense to carry a copyright. As far as I understand, publishers take a cut of sales. And if it's a public domain content, there wouldn't be many sales. It seems like it would make it even harder to find a publisher. I don't know, maybe I'm old and old fashioned. But the FLOSS manual, on the other hand, certainly should be either public domain, or CC-BY-NC-SA might be better. Whatever it needs to have, to allow the community to edit. I'm not sure what has the translators on pause. But that seems to be the "blocker" at the moment. That's why I was asking if there was anything we non-translators can do to help. I wish I knew anyone I could ask to help, but I sure don't. This is probably a bad idea. But I'm trying to think outside the box. What if I (or other non-French-speaker) took one of the French pages, and sent it through the public google and/or bing translators. I know those are far from perfect. (Sooooo far!) But since I know Inkscape, it seems like it would give me enough of a clue what it's about, to be able to write it properly in English. Then maybe the translators can proof read it, to make sure something important wasn't missed? Proof reading would seem to be much less time-consuming for them. Would that work?? All best, brynn -----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 9:54 AM To: brynn Cc: Inkscape-Docs ; Inkscape Devel List ; Maren Hachmann ; Victor Westmann Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon) > I don't mean to slow anyone's roll here. But wouldn't it make more sense to > put > any kind of energy towards documentation into the much discussed, direly > needed, > user-focused, step by step manual? Rather than starting from scratch on a > whole > different kind of project? Yea, this actually makes a lot of sense as a first step. > There are many books out there already, which amount to a series of tutorials. > It's not a bad thing. I just think this kind of project is better suited for > a > single author, or maybe a small team. And I think the project needs the > manual > much, more more than the community needs another book of tutorials. I agree. I think the book could be a lot of things in one. But I agree with finishing what we already have before starting something new. > As far as I understand, all that's needed is an English translation of...well > can't find a link to the French version. Here's a link to whatever has been > translated already: > https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/introduction/ I can't help with translation, unfortunately. But I'd like to see this finished. So +1 for the suggestion. > Once we have the translation, we'll be off and running to update and finish > it! > By the way, is there anything those of us who can't translate, can do, to help > the translators? I volunteer to help this effort in what ways are needed. > And won't such a new book of tutorials have to be published? A big obstacle > to > writing any book is getting it published. You almost have to have an > invitation > from a publisher to be certain a book will get published. Or publish it > yourself, which is not easy eitiher. Books done in Scribus can be "published" in a variety of ways, opened in browsers, laptops, eReaders, or just printed out. We could sell printed copies along with other Inkscape stuff. Maybe copies signed by members of the project would be kinda cool. No idea what the market is for it, but the idea that we could do all of these at once is attractive, and why I recommend Scribus. -C > > Just my opinion :-) > > brynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 4:01 PM > To: Inkscape-Docs ; Inkscape Devel List > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? > (targeting the moon) > > Would it make sense to use gitlab's new subgroups feature for this? > > The inkscape-docs team could be a sub-team of Inkscape, that way. There > are only 4 members as of now, so changing wouldn't be so difficult as it > might be later on. > > Maren > >> Am 28.04.2017 um 16:14 schrieb Martin Owens: >>> On Fri, 2017-04-28 at 12:39 +0100, C R wrote: >>>> I'd love to quit my job and just do docs. :) Unfortunately, that's >>>> what it would probably take to get docs going to the extent we'd >>>> like. >>>> It's been discussed before, but never gone anywhere because of lack >>>> of time/hands involved. >>>> >>>> Yes, we should use Scribus to do it. In fact, it should probably be a >>>> github project to attract contributors. This way we can patch what >>>> needs to be patched when stuff changes in subsequent releases. >>> >>> Sounds like you have a solid step one Chris. >>> >>> Here's the inkscape-docs group on gitlab, EVERYONE should join, there >>> should be a button to join: >>> >>> https://gitlab.com/inkscape-docs >>> >>> And here's the new book/manual/docs project where files can be put: >>> >>> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/manuals >>> >>> I recommend using the wiki attached to the project to plan the >>> adventure slowly. Add a bit at a time and don't rush to have something >>> "complete" but have something small produced. >>> >>> Best Regards, Martin Owens >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>> inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >>> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
