With the 'good licence' I meant CC-By-SA, sorry for the confusion. Maren
Am 02.05.2017 um 21:11 schrieb Maren Hachmann: > (this is not a direct reply to the last email by Brynn, just generally > to this new licence thread) > > @Brynn / CR: I think the term copyright does not mean the same as 'All > rights reserved'. Copyright is just an umbrella term for all of them. > Just look at the Inkscape files: > (line 10) > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/inkscape/0.92.x/view/head:/src/inkscape.cpp#L10 > > @Brynn/CR/Martin: Yes, the Intro book at flossmanuals is licenced GPLv3. > But: I have asked if the licence could be changed/amended, to include > CC-By-SA (you may have missed that in the stream). Only the author > hasn't answered yet. Jazzynico said he would contact her. So we are > waiting for her answer, before we can decide to pursue / not pursue that > road. > > @everyone: FTR, I prefer CC-By-SA for a manual, too. If the Intro book > cannot be licenced as CC-By-SA for some reason, then translating it > would get a lower priority for me, and finding other resources for a > start would rise in priority, but it's still worth being translated, > because it is a good book, with a very nice tone and approach. > > If someone asked me to write an Inkscape manual and to release it into > PD (which is impossible, being German... we cannot cast off the moral > rights, even if we want to, see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights#In_Europe), CC0 is possible, > though) I wouldn't do it. I do use that license for small artwork, and I > would use it for stuff where it cannot be enforced anyway, or which is > of humanitary nature. > But here, no lives depend on it, and I want to make sure that people's > work is credited, and that all derivatives of the manual may be shared > freely. Not just /most/, but *all*. > > @Brynn: (question from last email) Probably if the teaching material > doesn't use the same licence. But it's still possible to use different > licences for different parts, as long as you make a note of that, and > don't mix them completely, as far as I know. So, I don't see an issue, > rather a chance that more teaching materials might choose a good licence > ;-) (I'd like to see more teachers and students use Inkscape, btw.) > > Maren > > Am 02.05.2017 um 20:42 schrieb brynn: >> I'm not very knowledgable about licensing or licenses. But what part of >> GPL prohibits any of the 4 things you listed? >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> -----Original Message----- From: C R >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 11:23 AM >> To: Brynn >> Cc: inkscape-devel ; Maren Hachmann ; Inkscape-Docs ; Nicolas Dufour ; >> Sylvain Chiron >> Subject: Re: License for the new manual >> >> >> >> Going to simplify a bit: >> >>> From my perspective anyone should be able to take parts of the >>> official inkscape >> manual and: >> 1. Modify it, update it, correct it >> 2. Combine it with other teaching content (rules out GPL3, GPL2, and >> CC-BY-SA) >> 3. Use it in commercial products, or part of a compilation of manuals >> (Rules out CC-BY-NC-SA) >> 4. Use it any other way they like, because it's just tutorials for using >> Inkscape, and anyone who wants to learn or spread the word about >> Inkscape should be able to do so however they like. There's literally no >> wrong way to do that. :) >> >> imho we should avoid licenses that were not made for documentation >> entirely (GPL anything). >> >> >> Thoughts about this? >> -C >> >> >> >> On 2 May 2017 3:57 p.m., "brynn" <br...@frii.com> wrote: >> Retitled - "License for the new manual" (was "Any chance we can make >> some docs.....") Also copying in Sylvain, since he's been working on >> translation. I know there's another translator, but I can't seem to >> open the manual today, to look it up. So if someone knows who that is, >> please copy them in to this new thread. >> >> We should sort out what license we will offer the new manual under as >> a first step, before starting any work. We need to reach a consensus >> before work can proceed. >> >> Well, considering work has already started on the manual (the >> translating part), we might be a little behind the 8 ball. But I agree >> that we need to nail down the license asap. >> >> Retitling this to start the discussion. >> >> Also, according to >> https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ >> This document is GPL v3. >> I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other >> content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is >> unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type. >> >> Well that's the same license as Inkscape. How is it too restrictive? >> >> For me, the main point is that it needs a license that will allow anyone >> to edit it. We can't get stuck with an outdated manual and have no way >> to edit it (as a community), ever again. >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> -----Original Message----- From: C R >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 4:22 AM >> To: brynn >> Cc: Nicolas Dufour ; Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make >> some docs material? (targeting the moon) >> >> Also, according to >> https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ >> >> This document is GPL v3. >> I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other >> content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is >> unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type. >> >> We should sort out what license we will offer the new manual under as >> a first step, before starting any work. We need to reach a consensus >> before work can proceed. >> >> -C >> >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:14 AM, C R <caj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Is anyone discussing a copyrighted book or manual at this point? If >> so, let's not. It's Copyleft or Public Domain. No proprietary books or >> content should be included in official Inkscape documentation. We need >> to be able to freely revise, edit, distribute without the legal >> entanglements. >> >> -C >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 8:28 AM, brynn <br...@frii.com> wrote: >> - How does version control work for booktype? >> >> >> This question will probably make more sense when you make the next post you >> promised from a different message. I had asked why we were talking about >> using gitlab and all that, if we were still focused on the FLOSS >> translation/manual. And you said you had an idea to present that you didn't >> have time at that moment. >> >> I can't really see a marriage of these 2 projects (free manual, copyrighted >> book of tutorials). But I'm looking forward to hearing your proposal :-) >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann >> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 1:28 PM >> To: Nicolas Dufour ; brynn ; C R >> Cc: inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some >> docs material? (targeting the moon) >> >> >> Hi Nicolas :D, >> >> thank you! >> >> What I would like to know (and what is now buried deep in the email >> stream) is: >> >> - How does version control work for booktype? Could it be combined with >> a git repository, or does it use a fully independent system? >> (I couldn't find a direct hint, maybe it's just using the django >> database to keep track of changes/edits?) >> >> - What is the source file format of booktype? Markdown? (guessing from >> the requirements for pip) >> >> Regards, >> Maren >> >> Am 01.05.2017 um 21:08 schrieb Nicolas Dufour: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm just back from two weeks away, and as the thread is very long now >> I didn't find time to read everything. Sorry if I'm off-topic. >> >> Le Lundi 1 mai 2017 13h07, Maren Hachmann <ma...@goos-habermann.de> a >> écrit : >> >> I only wish Nicolas or Elisa could be here to give us some more >> in-depth >> >> >> info about their server's capabilities >> >> >> >> Not sure what you mean. Of course the Inkscape project can use the >> French FM server for the translation, but note that an English >> version also exists (http://write.flossmanuals.net/). It would >> probably be easier to work on the English server directly. >> >> >> and their book's licencing. >> >> >> If I remember correctly, the GPLv2 was the first license that was >> chosen when the FM project was created about 10 years ago, and some >> books still use it. But the server allows users to choose a different >> license when creating a new book (CC, GPL, PD). As for the Inkscape >> book, I see it's under a GPLv3. I don't know if it can be changed >> (and how) or not. Elisa could probably give more details. >> >> Regards, -- Nicolas >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
