- Yes, this is described in the book. It's the standard display mode new
users get when they are using a wide screen (please someone correct me
if I'm wrong, my screen is 4:3). Widescreens are standard now, so most
users should get that display.
If you're saying that Inkscape is supposed to detect what kind of screen is
being used, and automatically set itself accordingly, that's something I've
never heard of, or experienced.
Someone told me once that my screen is wide (14 inch laptop) default res 1366 x
768. My View menu shows Default is ticked, and it's the one with the command
bar at the top, snap bar on the right. So it's not telling me that Wide is
default for me (if that's what you meant).
If it ever did switch me to wide, I would have switched it back immediately. So
I'm not sure if I would remember it. I tend to get bizarre mouse actions at
times (unintended clicks), so I probably thought that was why, if it had ever
been switched.
- It uses the standard icons. All the icons that look different to you
are provided by the operating system and look different from your
Windows setup, yes (they look the same for me, btw.).
Oh, is that a Linux set? Uggh....but at least it's easier to change themes with
Linux (afaiu), whenever I finally get switched.
It would be helpful if you could continue with renaming the images that
do not need to be changed - i.e. the tool icons, or drawings without any
text or menus shown.
I haven't started yet. I don't want to duplicate or waste work energy. It
seems like it would be less work all around, to just give appropriate names to
the new screens and graphics, than to rename them all now, and upload whole new
images to relace them later. Or am I missing something about the plans and
processes?
Don't we want to change them all? For continuity of the appearances? Or do you
mean there are some graphics which don't show the interface or dialogs? Since
I can't read the text, or make sense of the meaning of the graphics, I haven't
looked at many pages yet. But so far, I've only seen interface graphics.
I wonder if it's possible in Windows, if I make a new user account, that
account could use a different theme? I'll investigate. If I can, I'll
provide the graphics.
- Let's take one step after the other, Brynn. It's better to finish one
thing, then take on the next.
__________________
Not sure what you thought I meant. But I was thinking outloud, and wondering if
I could provide the graphics after all. I must have missed the message where C
R volunteered to make the screens and graphics. (Only saw the front page cover
draft.) So that's great! Now I won't bother investigating about a new user
account.
Yes, we discussed possibly adding a glossary. And now possibly an faq or
troubleshooting or getting unstuck page or section too. They can both wait
until after hackfest.
Can you go through the images, and rename all the files that will not be
deleted, so they will be understandable when others look at them at
Hackfest time?
Wouldn't I need to work with C R (or whoever), to determine which are kept and
which are replaced? It seems like some level of coordination and communication
should happen for this, rather than 2 different people going at it separately in
different ways, possibly making incompatible decisions?
By the way, why does it need to be ready for hackfest? I was thinking the end
of the year for a target publishing date, not 3 weeks!
All best,
brynn
-----Original Message-----
From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:22 PM
To: brynn ; Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs]News item.... graphics issues in manual
Hi Brynn,
Am 06.06.2017 um 13:50 schrieb brynn:
I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about
helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks
already.
But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.
Don't worry, Maren. I'm still on top of helping with the manual. It's
just life offline keeps pulling me away from computer lately.
- Mine is busy, too.
I will start proofing as soon as I can get this moderation stuff settled.
- Yes, if you could help with fixing language errors, that would be
helpful.
For working on the graphics, as you have outlined, I have some blockers
on that. Somewhere I've mentioned them, but I don't think they were
answered. (I think I put comments in the Notes tab, below the line of
*. But I see now that that line of * is gone, and so are the comments I
made.)
- Yes, that tab has been wiped.
Starting on Interface chapter:
1 -- graphics are not proportional, they're stretched long and squeezed
side to side
2 -- the interface that's being used, uses a non-default display mode
(with command bar on the right)
- Yes, this is described in the book. It's the standard display mode new
users get when they are using a wide screen (please someone correct me
if I'm wrong, my screen is 4:3). Widescreens are standard now, so most
users should get that display.
3 -- the interface is using some custom icon set
- It uses the standard icons. All the icons that look different to you
are provided by the operating system and look different from your
Windows setup, yes (they look the same for me, btw.).
Before we start working on the graphics issues, these things need to be
addressed, in my opinion (otherwise we might have to eventually
duplicate some work).
- You can leave the picture layouting to someone experienced with web
page styling. This also requires coordination with the style person or
persons, and some understanding of how the different output formats
influence the layout.
It would be helpful if you could continue with renaming the images that
do not need to be changed - i.e. the tool icons, or drawings without any
text or menus shown.
And then, as a native speaker, language fixes would help us, and perhaps
compiling that list of frequent issues for the chapter that we would
like to add.
Also, I seem to remember there was a glossary chapter that needed to be
added.
I think we need to be using the most default interface screenshots as
possible. And of course, the graphics should be displayed in proper
proportions.
The most important thing to decide, is where the new graphics will come
from. Should be someone with not such an ugly theme (color) as mine.
Should be someone who is committed to providing the graphics and won't
disappear. Should be using a default display mode and icon set.
- CR volunteered for this in another email :D
I wonder if it's possible in Windows, if I make a new user account, that
account could use a different theme? I'll investigate. If I can, I'll
provide the graphics.
- Let's take one step after the other, Brynn. It's better to finish one
thing, then take on the next.
This is also easier for me, because I don't need to be all over the
place when I know that a task is being tackled and finished.
Can you go through the images, and rename all the files that will not be
deleted, so they will be understandable when others look at them at
Hackfest time?
Can you get back to us when you are done with that, so we can then find
a new task?
(Probably one of: proofreading for language errors, compiling list of
frequent basic issues and helpful tricks).
Kind Regards,
Maren
I'm changing the title of this message to start a separate thread on the
graphics issues. (I see a long string of replies to making a News item,
and I suspect there may be a few different issues. I'm off to read more
now :-) (Also switching to only Docs list)
All best,
brynn
-----Original Message----- From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 6:46 AM
To: inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new
manual work?
CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters
each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
(unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from
scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of
chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems
to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed
to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).
I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people
get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with
translating.
I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about
helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks
already.
But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.
Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be
ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through
my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to
not have time for much else.
I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the
manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know
Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do
well, like fixing up language or styling).
There are more than enough open tasks:
from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and
layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding
missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).
And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor
the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the
book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get
started, without much theoretical ballast.
Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up
the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her
concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.
Maren
Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:
I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're
making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I
plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the
hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete
manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for
help with it.
If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead,
though. :)
Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project,
brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape
project work. :)
-C
On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <br...@frii.com> wrote:
Hi Friends,
As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming
hackfest, I
suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item
about the
recent new work on the new manual?
I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article. I'm
thinking
Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time
around?
Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it
myself, if
we decide to do it.
I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider
community up to date about these things. What do other manual
workers and
Docs list subscribers think?
All best,
brynn
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