Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Alan DuBoff wrote: >> >> In Phil's message it seemed that he was complaining that IPS didn't go >> through ARC. Is that possible? I mean, at least it would have to go throug >> as a fasttrack, no? > > It's completely possible as that's what the current state is - it's only in > Indiana, which isn't a release in ARC terms yet, and hasn't integrated to > Nevada, so has had no point at which ARC is needed or been done.
"hasnt been integrated into Nevada" or not, indiana is essentially "a product", right now. It is in many peoples eyes, both "public", and internally, a "product". You can go to http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/ and download a "developer preview". Sun folks are giving out "indiana CDs" here and there. I've read in one or two places, that opensolaris developers are *changing what they do*, right now, based on what they perceive as "shipping in indiana". Indiana is in its second release now. ("developer preview 2") The status page at http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/status/ seems to imply that first "full release" is going to happen relatively soon, although it's a little unclear. ( "We hope for a first release a few months later.") I find it incomprehensible, that all parts of a publically visible (VERY VERY publically visible) and influential software product from sun, have not been subject to ARC review by now. For the record, I dont think that general case "we're tinkering with something, maybe we'll show it publically someday" software projects, should be forced to go through review. However, seems to me that the bits of indiana.. IPS being a very major "bit" of it... are past the point of mere "internal tinkering". As i understand the "spirit" of the ARC process; it is intended to make sure that software gets unbiased, well thought out review, so as to make useful changes, BEFORE it gets too public enough to have a major "ripple effect" if it does indeed need to change. Seems like IPS, as the current defacto leader of "How Packaging Is Going To Be Done In SolarisNext", is pretty much at the point of making major ripples, right now. Not to mention all the other "new and shiney" parts of Indiana. John wrote: > The consolidations-of-record out in OpenSolarisLand include > Admin.Nevada > Install.Nevada > ON.Nevada > Xorg.11r7(iirc) > Note that there is no "Indiana" consolidation. And.... what if they never integrate? After all, what's the benefit to the indiana folks? They have an overall development+release process that works now, well enough to "ship" something that has marketing's full support behind it... they're not subject to review... why bother? :-) This pondering is somewhat reinforced by the following quotation: > In talking with many involved, one disconnect in expectations I found > is that the team sees Indiana as (Admin/Install/ON + Indiana-special-sauce) > and not as (Admin/Install/ON specially modified by Indiana). That is, very > little of what they have done (mostly install/cayman stuff) has *even* > *attempted* to integrate back into the Admin, Install or ON consolidations.
