On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:04 PM, Moinak Ghosh wrote:

> Dave Miner wrote:
>> james hughes wrote:
>>> Does ZFS have a feature that allows diffs to be placed another  
>>> space?  This would be valuable to Xen clients where all the  
>>> clients are  booted off the same golden master.

While not the same thing, Sun (actually the old StorageTek) did a  
similar thing for z390 Linux.
        http://www.storagetek.com/upload/product_collateral/current/75/555.pdf
creating "Mainframe Linux with Shared Virtual Array disk system and  
SnapVantage software: Commanding the Linux army of servers in the z/VM  
environment"

>> While we need to have much more conversation with the Xen project  
>> about the topic, I think we'd agree that their current usage model  
>> for that scenario based on the diskless client setup would be  
>> vastly improved by using ZFS clones, which do a form of "another  
>> space".  I suspect you're suggesting a much more flexible  
>> redirection than ZFS clones allow, in which case UnionFS or its ilk  
>> might be helpful.

Yes, documentation for VMware clones is at
        http://www.vmware.com/pdf/ws5_clones_technote.pdf
which is interesting. See attached picture....

I am not suggesting an implementation as much as opening up the  
possibilities.

>> But I still wonder at that point if the complications (and  
>> resulting costs) there are worse long-term than spending some time  
>> re-thinking how the system is put together to make such overlay  
>> machinery unnecessary to get "another space" for the pieces which  
>> truly need it.  Would probably be interesting for someone to start  
>> playing with the FunionFS stuff from FUSE (assuming we have that  
>> working) just to understand how it might fit.

There is a project for FUSE, but that may or may not be applicable.
        http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/fuse/

>   Another wild idea: Extend the zpool framework to handle a mix of  
> read-only and
>   writable devices. The pool can be imported initially from a R/O  
> device with a R/W
>   device being added later on. The R/W device can host writable  
> clones of
>   filesystems on the R/O device thus providing UnionFS like behavior  
> but being
>   much more time and space efficient.

Interesting, yes.

Jim

> Regards,
> Moinak.
>
>>
>> Dave
>
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