> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Lemon
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:54 PM
> To: Iljitsch van Beijnum
> Cc: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Int-area] [BEHAVE] Inbound and outbound connections
> 
> On Aug 13, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
> > I would like to see some evidence for this. Google Maps 
> only generates
> > some 20 sessions for me.
> 
> Another problem with the statistic is that it assumes that all users  
> are surfing google web simultaneously.   In practice, use 
> tends to be  
> staggered.   As long as your NAT is noticing FIN and RST 
> packets, and  
> recycling ports quickly,

Caution needs to be exercised in recylcing TCP ports quickly;
see draft-ananth-tsvwg-timewait-00.txt and 
draft-ietf-tsvwg-port-randomization-01.txt.

> you can probably do just fine with 
> many more  
> subscribers per IP address than Miyakawa-san's worst-case scenario  
> would suggest.
> 
> That's all out the window if they're all doing P2P, of 
> course, because  
> those connections stay up longer.   But if we have IPv6 in the  
> network, we should really encourage people running P2P to use it,  
> because it should work better for them than IPv4 anyway - no NAT  
> traversal problems.

Without a way to accept incoming TCP sessions (e.g., UPnP or
some other way to ask for a publicly-routable transport address that
accepts incoming TCP SYNs), BitTorrent will consider p2p clients as 
leeches and download speeds will suffer:  keeping TCP connections
up even longer.  

We can't just 'encourage' p2p users to move to v6 until there is
content on v6 -- this is the very same problem for v6-only clients
wanting to access v6 content (there isn't any -- www.google.com,
www.cnn.com, www.amazon.com, are not on v6.  "ipv6.google.com" != 
"www.google.com").

-d

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