Several of us have told him the same several times about a year ago. I personally insisted him to ask the IESG for a mailing list, talk to the ADs, etc. … so I insist he is not reading the documents, may be not even reading all the emails … so not worth the effort to reply anymore.
Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Int-area <[email protected]> en nombre de Tim Chown <[email protected]> Responder a: <[email protected]> Fecha: miércoles, 13 de septiembre de 2017, 4:02 Para: Khaled Omar <[email protected]> CC: int-area <[email protected]> Asunto: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. On 12 Sep 2017, at 18:39, Khaled Omar <[email protected]> wrote: So in your opinion, what should happen now? Updating the I-D only? Or we should go forward? Or the IPv10 draft is not interesting at all? I believe you can request an IETF mail list, e.g. [email protected] to discuss your proposal. But to form a WG you need to meet the criteria of RFC 5434 - see https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5434, and as it stands, I’m afraid you don’t meet any of the criteria to even have a WG-forming BoF approved. The IETF works on rough consensus and running code, and you don’t have either, at least yet. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Int-area [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:29 PM To: int-area Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. Respecting people and their time means that before asking once and again about changing the process for you, or the process itself, you MUST have read the process documents, which doesn’t seem to be the case. If you did that, then you don’t understand the documents, and then you need some help *before* contributing, to clarify your mind about the process. Otherwise you waste your time and the rest of us time. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Int-area <[email protected]> en nombre de Khaled Omar <[email protected]> Responder a: <[email protected]> Fecha: miércoles, 13 de septiembre de 2017, 1:24 Para: int-area <[email protected]> Asunto: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. Will all the respect from my side, believe me, I’m taking it really easy and calm, but I think many of us here believe that you don't respect us, neither our work, neither our time, neither are respectful in general by continuously forwarding private emails and repeating things that are wrong and have been explained to you several times. Not helping you, not helping anyone. Why you say I disrespect you ? I don't like waste of time because if I feel things are not going good with the IETF members or participants, simply I will go away. All what I was asking for is a WG so all interested people participate on the discussion and to avoid repeating questions many times. Eventually, please stop saying claims about me like: " but I think many of us here believe that you don't respect us, neither our work, neither our time, neither are respectful in general by continuously forwarding private emails and repeating things that are wrong and have been explained to you several times" Because if I do, I wouldn't be here answering people's questions and know more people. Best regards, Khaled Omar -----Original Message----- From: Int-area [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:09 PM To: int-area Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. I believe everybody here is taking it very easy, but seems that some folks insist in not reading all the suggestions received and specially all the IETF documents prepared for new participants, including the ones available in every IETF meeting during the Sunday tutorials. Several of us, have explained you and public and private, how it works, and that you must read those documents to make our participation profitable for everyone. Will all the respect from my side, believe me, I’m taking it really easy and calm, but I think many of us here believe that you don't respect us, neither our work, neither our time, neither are respectful in general by continuously forwarding private emails and repeating things that are wrong and have been explained to you several times. Not helping you, not helping anyone. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Int-area <[email protected]> en nombre de Khaled Omar <[email protected]> Responder a: <[email protected]> Fecha: martes, 12 de septiembre de 2017, 23:06 Para: int-area <[email protected]> Asunto: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. This was a suggestion, take it easy. Best regards, Khaled Omar -----Original Message----- From: Int-area [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:31 PM To: int-area Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. So, you expect that we change the rules for you, or we should change them for everybody? Rules have been defined by the community for a good reason. If we change the rules for everybody, then you should expect thousands of WGs being created every other day, with no consensus, lot of community time lost and nobody paying attention to the real work, so we could shutdown IETF. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Int-area <[email protected]> en nombre de Khaled Omar <[email protected]> Responder a: <[email protected]> Fecha: martes, 12 de septiembre de 2017, 22:25 Para: Lee Howard <[email protected]> CC: int-area <[email protected]> Asunto: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. We can make the opposite, first creating a wg, then we will know who is interested to work on the IPv10 I-D. Khaled Omar -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. From: Lee Howard To: Khaled Omar CC: int-area From: Khaled Omar <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 9:17 AM To: Lee Howard <[email protected]> Cc: int-area <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Int-area] IPv10. After answering questions of people who send me e-mails publicly or privately the discussion stops at this point, that’s why I keep updating the I-D to make it more clear for other people reading the draft for the 1st time. If there are people who want to work on IPv10, they need to say so. There can’t be consensus if only one or two people think a document is worth working on. If you have received private statements of support, those people need to send messages to the list. Yes, they have to send to the list but some are asking if there is a wg for IPv10 or not. There won’t be a working group unless there are people interested in forming a working group. Lee From: Lee Howard [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:08 PM To: Khaled Omar; int-area Subject: Re: [Int-area] IPv10. What evidence do you see that there is consensus support for this? For an IETF document, it should get adopted by a working group (WG). If there is no existing WG which could include this in its charter, you might need to create a WG; Area Directors (ADs) would want to see that there was broad support for the effort, and many people willing to work on it. I’m not an AD, but I would question one who thought there was consensus support for IPv10. If there are people who want to work on IPv10, they need to say so. There can’t be consensus if only one or two people think a document is worth working on. If you have received private statemetns of support, those people need to send messages to the list. Lee From: Int-area <[email protected]> on behalf of Khaled Omar <[email protected]> Date: Monday, September 11, 2017 at 4:53 PM To: int-area <[email protected]> Cc: intarea-ads <[email protected]>, intarea-chairs <[email protected]> Subject: [Int-area] IPv10. Hi all, Is IPv10 still not considered on your list of agenda, I think the discussion phase has passed. I would like thank everyone who participated or reviewed the IPv10 I-D, but still some steps of work to be done and the decision is out of my hands. I don’t know how consensus be calculated at the IETF and whom is responsible for its final decision, either still some work to be done for adoption or start publishing the I-D. Waiting for the coming meeting is not a good idea as there is a short time for the presentation and we may face another remote technical problem as occurred at IETF 98. 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