> -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Schneider <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2026 4:21 PM > To: php internals <[email protected]> > Subject: [PHP-DEV] AI generated mails > > I'm not sure I want to spend time arguing with AIs and was considering > replying with "AI;DR" (AI; didn't reply) but I realize that this can be > considered rude.
Helo Mr Chris and Mr Mailing List, I think that would be too rejecty without having rules/guidelines in place. It would be best to have some guidelines (on the same level as "u must bottompost") so people can read them before posting. And, on par with bottom posting reminders, it would be fair to provide an eager newcomer with a guiding reply, something along the lines: > It is expected to write the texts yourself on this mailing list. Please do > not write or rephrase yourself using an LLM. > If English is the problem, do not worry — there is no requirement to have > perfect English as long as you can understand what is going on. A lot of > productive contributors here are more fluent in C and PHP languages than > they are in English. > And if you must, use a deterministic translator that will represent what you > intend to say, instead of something that the LLM will say. Probably a native speaker can write a better and more concise version of the above :)) > Just to be clear: I realize that AIs help a lot for non-native speakers to > express themselves I don't buy that. There's nothing about being native or non-native in having AI speak instead of you, so... [translation below] Lai pierādītu, ka ģeneratīvais MI nav nepieciešams, lai izteiktos, tālāko rakstīšu latviski un tulkošu ar Google tulkotāju. Jā, Pjēram pilnīga taisnība, ka mums jābūt pretimnākošiem pret dalībniekiem, kam angļu valoda nav pirmā. Bet tāpēc jau nav jāprasa LLM čatam rakstīt savā vietā. Protams, ka Google tulkotāja iztulkotais teksts nebūs perfekts un noteikti toņa ziņā nebūs identisks tam, kā šis teksts skan latviski. Taču tas būs daudz tuvāks oriģinālam nekā tad, ja es pateiktu savu domu ChatGPT vai Gemini un lūgtu viņam noformulēt to angliski. Vēl trakāk — šī teksta angliskā versija būs daudz tuvāka latviskajam oriģinālam nekā tad, ja vienkārši palūgtu LLM rīkam noformulēt šo domu pat nemainot valodu. ---------------- To prove that generative AI is not necessary to express myself, I will write the following in Latvian and translate it with Google Translate. Yes, Pierre is absolutely right that we should be accommodating to participants whose first language is not English. But that does not mean that we should ask the LLM chat to write for us. Of course, the text translated by Google Translate will not be perfect and certainly will not be identical in tone to how this text sounds in Latvian. But it will be much closer to the original than if I told ChatGPT or Gemini my idea and asked it to formulate it in English. Even worse, the English version of this text will be much closer to the original than if I simply asked the LLM tool to formulate this idea without even changing the language. BR, Juris
