Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
I wasn't assuming. I was outright making a factual statement. I never
made any implications of the intellectual levels of those implementing
the spec. I understand the RFC full well and know why the design is
the way it is. I was answering the ops question. Please read what I
said before you make your own assumptions.
Sorry, statements like "haphazard way", "never well designed", "it's a
mess", "they don't really resemble namespaces", "just some fancy magic",
etc. have nothing to do with facts. Actually, facts are exactly the
opposite - they were designed, were extensively discussed with
soliciting feedback from many stakeholders, and were implemented exactly
as planned. You may not like the way there were implemented, that's your
opinion (not a fact) and you are entitled to it. But you didn't limit
yourself to saying "I don't like them". You specifically said that they
were never well designed and haphazardly implemented. This is factually
false.
Stas ... One thing to bear in mind is that even for those of us for whom English
is our only language it is sometimes difficult to explain what we mean. Sherif's
were perhaps a little 'provocative' but were an accurate reflection of his view
on the results of implementing namespaces. It is a compromise rather than
something that sits naturally in PHP?
What a lot of newcomers need to understand is that PHP is NOT compiled, so a
heck of a lot of what they are used to just happening is physically impossible,
and namespace is a good case in point. Personally I have yet to see a good
example of the use of namespaces in third party libraries, and like Sherif avoid
them preferring simply so that while the code may be more verbose, it's clear 5
years later what was intended :) A lot of the current 'magic' makes it difficult
to pick up and work with other peoples code later on.
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