Hi Julien, On Wed, April 29, 2015 17:50, Julien Pauli wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Anatol Belski <anatol....@belski.net> > wrote: > > >> On Wed, April 29, 2015 15:35, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Anatol Belski >>> <anatol....@belski.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, April 5, 2015 09:05, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> bumping the thread as we should start the release steps >>>>> (branching >>>>> out 7.0, tagging the first alpha or more likely beta) if we wanna >>>>> keep up with https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php7timeline >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> after the recent discussion on IRC I would like to express the >>>> rediness to take on this job. As Kalle is willing to take this role >>>> as well, it'd probably make sense to hear what everyone thinks about >>>> my proposition. Possibly it could come to an election then. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I guess this thread conjuncts with the "PHP7 RM" one started last >>>> year by Kalle. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anatol >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Thanks for volunteering, albeit I wish you could have spoken a bit >>> sooner, so we avoid the awkward situation. I just wanted to repeat >>> that I >>> previously noted that based on my personal experience with 5.6, I >>> think that having two full time RMs for a major version would be much >>> better. >> Now >> >>> that we have two volunteers maybe we could also consider having both >>> of you guys and ofc. I can help with my experience on the RMing and >>> the process. >>> >> Yeah, actually I didn't think about RMing before. Thus my >> self-nomination is based on the discussion arguments that my >> participation could be convenient. Hence so late. With respect to your >> and others experience, that's why I'm asking. >> >> The suggestion for Kalle and me both doing the job - wouldn't we all >> three then jump over each others heads? Or one could part the tasks so >> we do it more or less independently (there are sure enough tasks)? >> Asking as I >> curretly have a minimal sights of the process, so not quite clear how it >> would go. >> > > Na :-) > > > I'm glad you both volunteer for RMing. > > > Usually, only one guy does all the job, it is better and prevents one > jumping onto the other guy's head. > > But, Sometimes one may be so busy - or have personnal issues - that then > it is the second RM that comes over scene and does the job. That's why we > are two usually, one "master RM" that does the job, and one "secondary RM" > that comes to scene when "master RM" has some problems, or if "master RM" > wonders if it is good to do this or that (then RMs discuss each other and > take decision). > > But obviously, you two can change that process. > You can work together at the same time, splitting tasks to do, the only > thing is you have to be able to work together smoothly , but as we all are > OSS contributors, I guess we all are able to handle that. > > > > Also, keep in mind that the release process is REALLY heavy before the GA > , > and not that heavy once the GA is launched. Preparing Alphas, betas, RCs, > NEWS file, UPGRADING, checking for the doc to > be synced .... are hard jobs that take place before the GA, and can take a > lot of time. In such period (that is : before the GA), it is usually > really better to have two brains and two pairs of hands to do the job. > > After the GA, don't worry too much, only security issues or BC breaks are > to be followed and taken care of, all the other tasks are easy to > perform. > > Also, keep in mind that previous RMs, such as Ferenc or myself , can help > you in doing such tasks, feel free to ask, ping, mail, etc... ;-) > > > Julien.Pauli > you gave a great extended explanation, thanks for that. As for me - while I can imagine very good working together with Kalle (and that indeed happens from time to time already, more or less), I wouldn't experiment with having 3 RMs, especially not for the a new major, especially not for the erupting PHP7. A smaller team obviously brings better communication and more experience gain for the satellite RM, and that's important for the time after 7.0. Not that for 7.1 there were two half baked RMs :)
So maybe it'd make sense to keep the 2-way team. Take one, the other one can then run for the same for 7.1 or later. I'll be ok with any either-or(-or) decision. For my part, I'll be of course able to keep up with the peek times. Regards Anatol -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
