On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Kevin Smith <ke...@gohearsay.com> wrote: > Much of the argument in favor of a code of conduct seems to be centered > around the desire to send a message to the wider developer world that we’re a > welcoming community that doesn’t look kindly on poor treatment of others. If > that’s the goal, rather than the goal being to punish or censor people who > violate our own values, why do we need a response team with the power to ban? > > If a person's treatment of others truly warrants banishment, then as Zeev > noted the RFC process is already perfectly suited for that. As far as I’m > concerned, the absolute greatest power the response team should be given is > the power to issue a censure. If sending a message is the goal, that’ll do it. > > I'll chime in on this, since you and I had a quite pleasant and productive conversation last night. I believe we agreed that the original draft was over-focused on punitive measures and not enough on low-impact mediation.
I imagine, because I love all you guys (and gals), that the volume of traffic to a response team would be low to begin with. I further imagine, since you're all such a great bunch of lads (and lasses), that the vast majority of those complaints would be resolvable with some gentle mediation. That's a good focus for the CoC, and I would love to bring us to that point. (Sorry if you've already addressed this Anthony, I haven't read your updates yet, it's been a busy morning). I said it in a prior email, but I'll repeat it. I see it like the security@ list. A place to send issues that don't necessarily bear airing in public. That's good for both the accuser AND the accused. A tiny layer of discretion to ease what may be a tense issue. I don't, however, agree that the response team should be entirely toothless. As a *last resort*, a (no more than) 7 day ban to act as a cooling off period isn't "vast sweeping powers", it's a band-aid for a situation that's gotten out of control. A situation that demands the wider community's attention, because it's become unacceptable. We can define the limits of these powers (again I've said this in a previous email). Worried about abuse of temp-bans? Don't think a stringent requirement of justification is enough? How about the accuser must suffer an equal ban? By the time it's come to the point where action must be taken, the problem has escalated to the point where privacy of the accused won't be maintainable anyway (due to evidence requirements). Turn the temp-ban into a cooling off period. Because honestly, do we have mustache twirling ne'er-do-wells? Or do we have passionate people who get worked up into a lather and sometimes cross a line? As someone who has crossed that line more than once, I hope you'll trust it's just the latter. -Sara -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
