+1 On Sun, 11 Aug 2019, 07:32 Andi Gutmans, <andigutm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I must admit that the first time I read Zeev’s email I got anxious... but > it is frustrating that PHP has a WAY better runtime than Python and most > other dynamic languages yet is falling out of fashion. It’s strange given > how much better it actually runs (really being unbiased here). One reason > is security perception (which is BS but perception matters) and the second > is arguably some of the historic baggage which makes some folks feel PHP is > hard to master without a manual (we have the best manual). > > So many times I have thought “is it time to just take an axe and simplify > it and do a cleanup?”. I actually don’t think we lack many features but > rather lots of stuff I would dump like references, array(), global > namespace for functions(?), type juggling in areas where we should be > stricter, etc... I actually think that having a p++ is risky but it is an > opportunity. I think it’s mostly be an opportunity if we’d be careful about > feature bloat and try and be really aggressive about removing things and > cleaning up. We potentially would get the significant benefits of our > runtime but with a cleaner language. Will non-PHP appreciate it? maybe, > maybe not... I actually do think there’s value of a different brand just > because of the BS perception issues... > > Andi > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > ________________________________ > From: Zeev Suraski <z...@php.net> > Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 12:54 PM > To: Internals > Subject: [PHP-DEV] P++: FAQ > > During the discussion of the P++ proposal ( > https://externals.io/message/106453), it became painfully clear that this > idea did little, so far, to bring peace to the galaxy. > > However, based on a lot of the feedback, both on internals@ and elsewhere > - > it seems that a lot of people simply didn't really understand what this > idea was actually proposing to do. I'll take the blame for that - by not > making the idea sufficiently clear. > > I went on and create an FAQ, that attempts to address many of the questions > and common misconceptions that repeatedly came up. > > It's available here: https://wiki.php.net/pplusplus/faq > > Before you read it, I want to stress that this is an attempt to > provide *everyone > with a good deal, and nobody with a raw deal. *It doesn't mean it's > successful at that (although I think it is) - but the motivation is clean > and positive. If & when you read this FAQ, please try to read it without > any preconceived notions. > > If there are additional questions that you think are missing, please let me > know - or better yet, if you're up for constructively adding them - go > ahead and do that. > > Thanks, > > Zeev >
