On Mar 26, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Michael Richardson wrote:

> 
>>>>>> "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Huang <ghu...@juniper.net> writes:
>    Geoffrey> My initial inclination is to say that won't fly: that many
>    Geoffrey> deployments still require preshared key authentication.
>    Geoffrey> Rather, they would object to certificates because of
>    Geoffrey> perceived complexity. That said, I could see arguments
>    Geoffrey> that what we're discussing are already fairly
>    Geoffrey> sophisticated topologies, so perhaps the certificate
>    Geoffrey> allergy doesn't hold? 
> 
> Tero isn't proposing using certificates.
> 
> Tero is proposing that the gateway/hub provides each leaf node with a
> gateway mediated, ASN.1 encoded, scalable, asymmetric, transitive proofs
> of identity.  It would be used only for the leaf to leaf connection.  
> It would be retained for a convenient period of time and then destroyed.

Not just leaf-to-leaf, but also leaf to any other node, even if it's not a real 
leaf.

This is beginning to look a lot like Kerberos, no?

Yoav

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