Hi Yaron,

if you further try to implement a prototype for a door opener then you
might run into a number of issues, such as

* how does the garage opener discover the garage door?
* what radio technology are you going to use?
* how does the garage door authorize the garage opener?

When you then answer all these questions you might realize (as I did)
that you neither want to use IPsec there nor even IP.

Ciao
Hannes

PS: I agree with your statement about mutual authentication.

On 07/25/2014 06:37 PM, Yaron Sheffer wrote:
> This might sound like a nit, but we have this text in the draft, as a
> use case for null auth:
> 
> "User wants to get some simple action from the remote device. Consider
> garage door opener: it must authenticate user to open the door, but it
> is not necessary for the user to authenticate the door opener.  In this
> case one-way authentication is sufficient."
> 
> The problem is, this is an incorrect protocol. Specifically, a MITM (who
> might be physically located by the kitchen door), could redirect the
> protocol exchange to a door different from the one I intended to open.
> Seeing that nothing happens, I will simply press the remote again and
> open the garage door, too.
> 
> This is of course a generic problem, where unauthenticated protocols
> have unforeseen consequences.
> 
> Thanks,
>     Yaron
> 
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