Re-,

Not sure to follow this:

> of the cases the information in IANA registries are already in the
> normative reference RFCs

RFCs may include stale/inaccurate values (e.g., new/deprecated values). The 
IANA registry is authoritative.

I still think maintaining the refs as they are is aligned with 
https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/normative-informative-references/.

Thanks. 

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Tero Kivinen <[email protected]>
> Envoyé : mardi 31 janvier 2023 14:31
> À : Valery Smyslov <[email protected]>
> Cc : [email protected]; [email protected]
> Objet : RE: [IPsec] Shepherd review of the draft-ietf-ipsecme-add-
> ike
> 
...
> > > I do not think the [Hash] is normative reference. I did not
> need to
> > > read and understand that to somewhat understand this document
> :-)
> >
> > Well, it's only 58 words including title, you may read them in
> few
> > seconds :-) Kidding aside, how this can be informative? The
> document
> > uses these codepoints.
> 
> I usually have been considered things to normative if you need to
> read and understand to be able to implement the protocol. In most
> of the cases the information in IANA registries are already in the
> normative reference RFCs, thus having normative reference to one
> iana registry is not needed. The reason I pointed this out is
> because the ID nits complained about possible downref for having
> normative reference to non-rfc document...

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