> ...prefer to say it the other way ... if your evidence is actual, > it shows the other groups are disconnected with this one. > > I agree, but either way there is a disconnect.
Eric, One simple way to cure the disconnect would be to actually read the drafts that you are quoting, starting with the H/H local addresses specification. I am familiar with several of these drafts, and you appear to be way off base: - http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nsis-nslp-natfw-00.txt Deals with signaling, i.e. how to learn the mappings established by a NAT. Fundamentally a "NAT traversal" technology, made necessary to remedy the effect of NAT. Certainly not a NAT advocacy paper. - http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-takeda-symmetric-nat-traversal -00.txt Tries to define an extension of the STUN technology to traverse NAT. Again, NAT remedy rather than NAT advocacy. - http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ford-midcom-p2p-01.txt Describes the state of the art in traversal techniques for IPv4 NAT, and recommends ways for these NATs to allow P2P traffic. Never mentions IPv6. - http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nat-natmib-07.txt Definition of a MIB for controlling NAT. Also used by MIDCOM to specify NAT traversal technologies. - http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-huitema-v6ops-teredo-00.txt Describes how to allocate global IPv6 addresses so hosts behind An IPv4 NAT could behave as if directly connected to the IPv6 Internet. - http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-07.txt Negotiation of NAT traversal for IPSEC traffic. In fact, a common point of all these drafts is to try to bypass the NAT, to obtain global connectivity despites the NAT, often using side effects of the NAT implementation. Most of that work is driven by application developers who are making their best to make NAT go away. None of these drafts is an advocacy for NAT, quite the contrary in fact. -- Christian Huitema -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Administrative Requests: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 --------------------------------------------------------------------
