The membership should start from the date, the company started benefiting
from ISPAK efforts, and that will be from the start of operations for a
lot of people, as ISPAK has done a lot for ISP's and is doing it for a
long time.
Regards,
Nasir.
On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, sbhutta wrote:
> MAY I SUGGEST THAT MEMBERSHIP SHOULD BE START FROM DATE OF OPERATION.
> HE ATTENDED MEETING AND PASSED TIME WITHOUT PAYING ANY DUES. PLEASE GUIDE ME
> WE ADOPT WHAT YOU SUGGEST BUT IT WILL BE AMENDED BY GENERAL HOUSE.
> BHUTTA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 9:41 AM
> Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
>
>
> > Bhutta Sb.,
> >
> > Attending a meeting and delivering speech is different and being
> registered
> > on a specific date is different. Attending a meeting does not mean that
> one
> > has joined the organization on that date. Be positive.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "A.R. Nasir Qureshi"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> >
> >
> > > This is the problem of Mr.Saad Saleem. He joined ISPAK in 1999. at
> meeting
> > > in rest house organised by Mr.Wahaj ur Siraj of COMSATS in Islamabad. He
> > got
> > > registration in late 2000 and paid renewal fee in early 2001.
> > >
> > > According to ethically he should pay since he joined and delivered a
> > speech
> > > against Chairman PTA. Who was helping us at that time.
> > >
> > > On 17th May I meet to Mr.Saad Saleem. Mr.Imran Akhatr Shah. Mr.Qazi and
> > > Mr.Naeem Haq in Islamabad Specially I travelled from Karachi to
> Islamabad
> > > only to have this meeting with them .We decided all issues for smooth
> > > election I proposed that year should be divided into four quarter and
> fee
> > be
> > > divided accordingly I also agreed web voting and Mr.Naeen took the
> > > responsibility to provide software for voting to get consensus from all
> on
> > > web. only paid members were to be issued password for voting.
> > >
> > > I circulated all this but Mr.Qazi opposed and Mr.Muhammad Arshad Jalil
> > again
> > > advised to give them chance to keep with us.
> > >
> > > I am ready to adopt any formula on it. You should propose. We will
> > > implement.
> > >
> > > We will do our best efforts to keep them joint.
> > >
> > > Best regards.
> > > Bhutta.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Give them a last chance and then goodbye.
> > > >
> > > > But here the question was not for such Co. who have not paid ever.
> > > > Unfortunately, Mr. Bhutta has declared all those Co. defaulter who
> paid
> > > less
> > > > than year ago. That is point of concern.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Ahmad Nadeem Syed
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Cc: "ISPAK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:52 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw your formula, and it is acceptable to me at least, but what
> > about
> > > > > people who have not paid at all, or not paid for more than a year ??
> > > > >
> > > > > Your formula only applies to companies who paid less than a year
> ago,
> > > and
> > > > > now they will have to pay again for a year, where as a year has not
> > > > > passed.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you say about companies who have not paid for more than a
> year
> > > ??
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Nasir.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, nadeem wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I fully agree with you. Obviously no organization can run without
> > > funds.
> > > > > > There is no disagreement on payment. It is question of timing and
> > the
> > > > way
> > > > > > the payment period is interpreted. Pl. see my other e-mail in this
> > > > respect.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > Cc: "Aly Ramzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:25 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We for one have been paying ISPAK annual fees for the last three
> > > > years.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't you think it is unfair for me a small ISP, for whom Rs.
> 5000
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > > > much bigger share of total revenues, than other big ISP's, that
> > > other
> > > > > > > no-payers enjoy the same privileges as me ???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do not understand what this fuss is all about paying Rs. 5000,
> > > which
> > > > for
> > > > > > > all of us is by Grace of God a very small amount ??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why can't all people pay Rs. 5000, and attend the meeting ??
> Why,
> > > when
> > > > I
> > > > > > > have paid, others are un-willing to pay ??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If I have made a mistake in paying, pls help your brother, by
> > > telling
> > > > me
> > > > > > > what I have done wrong and why, so in the future I can save Rs.
> > > 5000.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nasir.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, nadeem wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Ramzan Bhai,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I fully agree with your point of view with reference to funds.
> > > > However,
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > issue has never been made a point of concern for any of the
> > > meeting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I suggest that let this meeting be held without pressure
> > however,
> > > > put
> > > > > > > > payment condition for right to cast the vote.
> > > > > > > > The impression Mr. Bhutta is creating is that he is being
> > > selective
> > > > and
> > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > not want certain members to attend. I request Mr. Bhutta not
> to
> > > > create
> > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > impression.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Circulate the list of members. The voting as well as holding
> > > office
> > > > > > bearer
> > > > > > > > position should be with the condition that the member
> > organization
> > > > is an
> > > > > > > > Operating ISP.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Aly Ramzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "sbhutta"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > > > > > "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > "Azfar
> > > > > > > > Manzoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:58 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dear All,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Funds are required to run any association, PASHA charged our
> > > > Software
> > > > > > > > house
> > > > > > > > > Rs. 15,000 before they would even put us on their discussion
> > > > group.
> > > > > > Same
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > true for Chamber, Federation, PREGMA, APTMA etc. etc. I fail
> > to
> > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > how an association with office, employees, travel expenses
> > > etc.can
> > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > without funds. The present and newly elected body will need
> > the
> > > > funds
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > operate ISPAK successfully, and the audited accounts should
> be
> > > > open
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > inspection to all members.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One may argue that these are not elected members per say but
> > we
> > > > feel
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > our problems were solved by the same team which exists
> today.
> > > > Being an
> > > > > > ISP
> > > > > > > > > in operation since 1998 I feel that Bhutta Saheb, Ansar
> Saheb,
> > > > Imran
> > > > > > > > Akhtar
> > > > > > > > > Saheb, Salman Ansari Saheb, Arshad Jalil Saheb and others
> have
> > > > worked
> > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > very hard "TOGETHER" to do what ever was possible to get ISP
> > > > issues
> > > > > > > > > resolved. So many of our problems with PTCL which were
> > > impossible
> > > > to
> > > > > > solve
> > > > > > > > > in the 90's are going through seamlessly. People on both
> sides
> > > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > fence
> > > > > > > > > have worked hard to get ISPAK to where it is today.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We are looking forward to the elections.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Aly Ramzan
> > > > > > > > > CubeXS
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Azfar Manzoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "sbhutta"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > > > > > > "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:54 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhutta Sahib,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I support Nadeem. Every ISP should be allowed to be on the
> > > email
> > > > > > list of
> > > > > > > > > ISPAK whether a paid member or not.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Infact, I would go one step further and recommend the
> > > following
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > maximum participation:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1. For the General Body Meeting of ISPAK on July 10, 2001
> in
> > > > Karachi
> > > > > > Mr.
> > > > > > > > > Pasha, DS ISPAK should personally contact the CEO/MD of
> every
> > > > > > operational
> > > > > > > > > ISP in the country whether it is a member of ISPAK or not.
> All
> > > > should
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > invited to this meeting or asked to send representatives.The
> > > email
> > > > > > list of
> > > > > > > > > ISPAK does not include all operational ISP's.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2. Those who cannot come to Karachi for one reason or
> > another
> > > > should
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > informed of what issues were discussed in the General Body
> > > meeting
> > > > by
> > > > > > > > > sending them written minutes of the meeting and also all
> > should
> > > be
> > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > opportunity to present their views by immediately holding
> > > followup
> > > > > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > meetings in Lahore and Islamabad chaired by you as President
> > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > personally so that no one can complain later.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For Lahore WOL will be more than willing to play host and
> I
> > am
> > > > sure
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > will have volunteers for Islamabad also.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The above practice is followed very successfully by PASHA
> > and
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > insures
> > > > > > > > > that every member has the opportunity to participate in the
> > > > affairs of
> > > > > > > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > and such openness leads to a more vibrant, effective and
> > united
> > > > > > > > > organization.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Azfar
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > At 09:44 AM7/2/01+0500, nadeem wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >Bhutta Sb.,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Do not take this position.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Instead, be positive and try to have maximum presence to
> > make
> > > > ISPAK
> > > > > > > > truly
> > > > > > > > > > >representative. Remember ISPAK is body of ISPs. Do not
> give
> > > > > > impression
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > >you want some specific person out.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Registered member is one who has got registration. Make
> the
> > > > request
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >members to pay the dues. Do not try to keep the people
> out
> > on
> > > > > > > > > > >technicalities. Be humble and make friends. The positions
> > are
> > > > open
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > >body who is considered eligible by the majority.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Regards
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Ahmad Nadeem Syed
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > >From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > >To: "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 8:51 PM
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: ISPAK: Re: To Mr. Bhutta; Email List Additions
> For
> > > > > > Worldcall
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Mr.Pasha,
> > > > > > > > > > >> Deputy Secretary ISPAK
> > > > > > > > > > >> AoA
> > > > > > > > > > >> Please check if worldcall.net is paid member then
> include
> > > the
> > > > > > > > proposed
> > > > > > > > > > >name
> > > > > > > > > > >> in the mailing list otherwise regret and inform that
> > > mailing
> > > > list
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > >> limited with in paid members..
> > > > > > > > > > >> Best regards.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Sanaullah Bhutta
> > > > > > > > > > >> President ISPAK>
> > > > > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > >> From: "Nahil Mahmood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 3:37 PM
> > > > > > > > > > >> Subject: To Mr. Bhutta; Email List Additions For
> > Worldcall
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Dear Mr. Bhutta,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > I am contacting you from Worldcall Lahore. I would
> like
> > > to
> > > > > > request
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > >> > to kindly add two email addresses to your mailing
> list
> > > for
> > > > > > ISPAK as
> > > > > > > > > > >> > follows:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > -Mr. Fazeel Asif, COO Worldcall Multimedia
> > > > > > > > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > -Nahil Mahmood, Senior Manager Technical, Worldcall
> > > > Multimedia
> > > > > > Ltd.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Looking forward to your early asistance.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Nahil Mahmood
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mobile: 0300-8484399
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > > > > > >> > *************************
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Nahil Mahmood
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Senior Manager Technical
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Worldcall Multimedia Ltd.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > 50 Bridge Colony
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Abid Majeed Road
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahore Cannt., Pakistan
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Tel: +92-42-6686227
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Fax: +92-42-6669095
> > > > > > > > > > >> > *************************
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> -------------------------
> > ISPAK --------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > >> ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to
> officials
> > of
> > > > > > > > > > >> ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media
> > representatives.
> > > > > > > > > > >> --------------
> > http://ispak.net.pk -----------------------
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >-------------------------
> ISPAK --------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > >ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to officials
> of
> > > > > > > > > > >ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media
> representatives.
> > > > > > > > > > >--------------
> http://ispak.net.pk -----------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- ISPAK --------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to officials
> of
> > > > > > > > > > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media
> representatives.
> > > > > > > > > > -------------- http://ispak.net.pk -----------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ------------------------- ISPAK --------------------------
> > > > > > > > ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to officials of
> > > > > > > > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
> > > > > > > > -------------- http://ispak.net.pk -----------------------
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------- ISPAK --------------------------
> > > > > > > ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to officials of
> > > > > > > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
> > > > > > > -------------- http://ispak.net.pk -----------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------- ISPAK --------------------------
> > > > ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to officials of
> > > > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
> > > > -------------- http://ispak.net.pk -----------------------
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------- ISPAK --------------------------
> ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to officials of
> ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
> -------------- http://ispak.net.pk -----------------------
>
------------------------- ISPAK --------------------------
ISPAK Discussion List. Members are limited to officials of
ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
-------------- http://ispak.net.pk -----------------------
