Give them a last chance and then goodbye.
But here the question was not for such Co. who have not paid ever.
Unfortunately, Mr. Bhutta has declared all those Co. defaulter who paid less
than year ago. That is point of concern.
Regards
Ahmad Nadeem Syed
----- Original Message -----
From: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "ISPAK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
>
> I saw your formula, and it is acceptable to me at least, but what about
> people who have not paid at all, or not paid for more than a year ??
>
> Your formula only applies to companies who paid less than a year ago, and
> now they will have to pay again for a year, where as a year has not
> passed.
>
> What do you say about companies who have not paid for more than a year ??
>
> Regards,
>
> Nasir.
>
>
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, nadeem wrote:
>
> > I fully agree with you. Obviously no organization can run without funds.
> > There is no disagreement on payment. It is question of timing and the
way
> > the payment period is interpreted. Pl. see my other e-mail in this
respect.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "A.R. Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "Aly Ramzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> >
> >
> > >
> > > We for one have been paying ISPAK annual fees for the last three
years.
> > >
> > > Don't you think it is unfair for me a small ISP, for whom Rs. 5000 is
a
> > > much bigger share of total revenues, than other big ISP's, that other
> > > no-payers enjoy the same privileges as me ???
> > >
> > > I do not understand what this fuss is all about paying Rs. 5000, which
for
> > > all of us is by Grace of God a very small amount ??
> > >
> > > Why can't all people pay Rs. 5000, and attend the meeting ?? Why, when
I
> > > have paid, others are un-willing to pay ??
> > >
> > > If I have made a mistake in paying, pls help your brother, by telling
me
> > > what I have done wrong and why, so in the future I can save Rs. 5000.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Nasir.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, nadeem wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Ramzan Bhai,
> > > >
> > > > I fully agree with your point of view with reference to funds.
However,
> > this
> > > > issue has never been made a point of concern for any of the meeting.
> > > >
> > > > I suggest that let this meeting be held without pressure however,
put
> > > > payment condition for right to cast the vote.
> > > > The impression Mr. Bhutta is creating is that he is being selective
and
> > does
> > > > not want certain members to attend. I request Mr. Bhutta not to
create
> > such
> > > > impression.
> > > >
> > > > Circulate the list of members. The voting as well as holding office
> > bearer
> > > > position should be with the condition that the member organization
is an
> > > > Operating ISP.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Aly Ramzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Azfar
> > > > Manzoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:58 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dear All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Funds are required to run any association, PASHA charged our
Software
> > > > house
> > > > > Rs. 15,000 before they would even put us on their discussion
group.
> > Same
> > > > is
> > > > > true for Chamber, Federation, PREGMA, APTMA etc. etc. I fail to
> > understand
> > > > > how an association with office, employees, travel expenses etc.can
> > work
> > > > > without funds. The present and newly elected body will need the
funds
> > to
> > > > > operate ISPAK successfully, and the audited accounts should be
open
> > for
> > > > > inspection to all members.
> > > > >
> > > > > One may argue that these are not elected members per say but we
feel
> > that
> > > > > our problems were solved by the same team which exists today.
Being an
> > ISP
> > > > > in operation since 1998 I feel that Bhutta Saheb, Ansar Saheb,
Imran
> > > > Akhtar
> > > > > Saheb, Salman Ansari Saheb, Arshad Jalil Saheb and others have
worked
> > very
> > > > > very hard "TOGETHER" to do what ever was possible to get ISP
issues
> > > > > resolved. So many of our problems with PTCL which were impossible
to
> > solve
> > > > > in the 90's are going through seamlessly. People on both sides of
the
> > > > fence
> > > > > have worked hard to get ISPAK to where it is today.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are looking forward to the elections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > Aly Ramzan
> > > > > CubeXS
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Azfar Manzoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "nadeem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "sbhutta"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > > "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:54 PM
> > > > > Subject: ISPAK: GENERAL BODY MEETING
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Bhutta Sahib,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I support Nadeem. Every ISP should be allowed to be on the email
> > list of
> > > > > ISPAK whether a paid member or not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Infact, I would go one step further and recommend the following
for
> > > > > maximum participation:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. For the General Body Meeting of ISPAK on July 10, 2001 in
Karachi
> > Mr.
> > > > > Pasha, DS ISPAK should personally contact the CEO/MD of every
> > operational
> > > > > ISP in the country whether it is a member of ISPAK or not. All
should
> > be
> > > > > invited to this meeting or asked to send representatives.The email
> > list of
> > > > > ISPAK does not include all operational ISP's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Those who cannot come to Karachi for one reason or another
should
> > be
> > > > > informed of what issues were discussed in the General Body meeting
by
> > > > > sending them written minutes of the meeting and also all should be
> > given
> > > > an
> > > > > opportunity to present their views by immediately holding followup
> > ISPAK
> > > > > meetings in Lahore and Islamabad chaired by you as President ISPAK
> > > > > personally so that no one can complain later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For Lahore WOL will be more than willing to play host and I am
sure
> > we
> > > > > will have volunteers for Islamabad also.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The above practice is followed very successfully by PASHA and
this
> > > > insures
> > > > > that every member has the opportunity to participate in the
affairs of
> > > > ISPAK
> > > > > and such openness leads to a more vibrant, effective and united
> > > > > organization.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Azfar
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 09:44 AM7/2/01+0500, nadeem wrote:
> > > > > > >Bhutta Sb.,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Do not take this position.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Instead, be positive and try to have maximum presence to make
ISPAK
> > > > truly
> > > > > > >representative. Remember ISPAK is body of ISPs. Do not give
> > impression
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >you want some specific person out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Registered member is one who has got registration. Make the
request
> > to
> > > > > > >members to pay the dues. Do not try to keep the people out on
> > > > > > >technicalities. Be humble and make friends. The positions are
open
> > for
> > > > > any
> > > > > > >body who is considered eligible by the majority.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Ahmad Nadeem Syed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >To: "H.K.Pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 8:51 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: ISPAK: Re: To Mr. Bhutta; Email List Additions For
> > Worldcall
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Dear Mr.Pasha,
> > > > > > >> Deputy Secretary ISPAK
> > > > > > >> AoA
> > > > > > >> Please check if worldcall.net is paid member then include the
> > > > proposed
> > > > > > >name
> > > > > > >> in the mailing list otherwise regret and inform that mailing
list
> > is
> > > > > being
> > > > > > >> limited with in paid members..
> > > > > > >> Best regards.
> > > > > > >> Sanaullah Bhutta
> > > > > > >> President ISPAK>
> > > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >> From: "Nahil Mahmood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 3:37 PM
> > > > > > >> Subject: To Mr. Bhutta; Email List Additions For Worldcall
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Dear Mr. Bhutta,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I am contacting you from Worldcall Lahore. I would like to
> > request
> > > > > you
> > > > > > >> > to kindly add two email addresses to your mailing list for
> > ISPAK as
> > > > > > >> > follows:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > -Mr. Fazeel Asif, COO Worldcall Multimedia
> > > > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > -Nahil Mahmood, Senior Manager Technical, Worldcall
Multimedia
> > Ltd.
> > > > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Looking forward to your early asistance.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Sincerely,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Nahil Mahmood
> > > > > > >> > Mobile: 0300-8484399
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > >> > *************************
> > > > > > >> > Nahil Mahmood
> > > > > > >> > Senior Manager Technical
> > > > > > >> > Worldcall Multimedia Ltd.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > 50 Bridge Colony
> > > > > > >> > Abid Majeed Road
> > > > > > >> > Lahore Cannt., Pakistan
> > > > > > >> > Tel: +92-42-6686227
> > > > > > >> > Fax: +92-42-6669095
> > > > > > >> > *************************
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
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> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > ISPs and ESPs of Pakistan and select media representatives.
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
>
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