Hey Michael,

        OK - I will leave as is. When I get some time I will at least go 
through the websites and ensure the docs and readmes are up to date and 
accurate.


Gareth

On 11 Apr 2012, at 11:35, Michael Glavassevich wrote:

> Hi Gareth, 
> 
> I tend to be one of the few that ever updates the site (and perhaps I'm the 
> only who did in the last 12 months). Consistency would be good, but if the 
> result is more complexity, I'm less likely to do anything. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Michael Glavassevich
> XML Technologies and WAS Development
> IBM Toronto Lab
> E-mail: [email protected] 
> E-mail: [email protected] 
> 
> Gareth Reakes <[email protected]> wrote on 11/04/2012 06:18:38 AM:
> 
> > Hey Michael, 
> > 
> > If thats the preference thats fine by me as well. My only thoughts 
> > are that we: 
> > 
> > - need a consistent look and feel for the top level pages and all 
> > the local projects 
> > - use a system that is supported and existing and new contributors 
> > can get support on 
> > - have a well documented publishing system 
> > - limit the set up time and technical knowledge needed to make changes 
> > 
> > We don't have that at the moment. The READMEs in the docs 
> > directories are out of date or just plain wrong. You need old 
> > versions of java (as well as various other things installed in 
> > specific directories and a knowledge of ant to find out where they 
> > should be) just to build the commons sub project and the sites are 
> > not consistent. I was thinking this was an opportunity to move to 
> > something that would be more helpful and it seemed that the Apache 
> > CMS was suited to that. 
> > 
> > Again, these are just my thoughts and I am happy to go with the majority. 
> > 
> > Gareth 
> > 
> > On 11 Apr 2012, at 11:04, Michael Glavassevich wrote: 
> > 
> > Perhaps I'm missing some detail but ASF CMS seems like a completely 
> > different tool for authoring web sites than any that we currently 
> > use. Personally had been hoping we'd move to using svnpubsub which 
> > seems more straightforward and doesn't require me to learn N new 
> > things (I probably won't have the time for) to do something which is
> > simple today. 
> > 
> > If there's some (hopefully simple) way to use CMS just as a 
> > publishing tool of the sites we build as-is with Forrest / Stylebook
> > that's fine too. 
> > 
> > Thanks. 
> > 
> > Michael Glavassevich
> > XML Technologies and WAS Development
> > IBM Toronto Lab
> > E-mail: [email protected] 
> > E-mail: [email protected] 
> > 
> > Gareth Reakes <[email protected]> wrote on 11/04/2012 03:26:10 AM:
> > 
> > > Hey Steven, 
> > > 
> > > As Michael says, Xerces is published manually at the moment. It 
> > > could do with a good bit of cleaning up. I was going to have a bash 
> > > at that over the coming weeks. I have taken a look at the at the ASF
> > > CMS and it does seem a good way to go. At least at the end of it we 
> > > will have a consistent way of publishing the site thats well 
> > > documented and would allow new people to come along and change 
> > > things fairly easily. 
> > > 
> > > In terms of the look and feel, Michael borrowed the top level new 
> > > pages from XML graphics (which incidentally does use the Apache CMS 
> > > although our top level pages currently don't). Gary Gregory from 
> > > Apache Commons (note, thats not Xerces/XML commons) had some 
> > > examples of nice skins (including a yet to be published one for 
> > > commons). He says: 
> > > 
> > > …. 
> > > 
> > > In Apache Commons, we are probably going to change the site skin to 
> > > something like https://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/commons/
> > > 
> > > Background thread related to Apache Commons: http://www.mail-
> > > archive.com/[email protected]/msg25733.html
> > > 
> > > Also nice Apache sites IMO: https://directory.apache.org/, https://
> > > labs.apache.org/ 
> > > 
> > > Gary
> > 
> > > ….. 
> > > 
> > > I am sure he would not mind us borrowing it :) Does anyone have any 
> > > views/ time to help out with this? 
> > > 
> > > Cheers, 
> > > 
> > > Gareth 
> > > 
> > > On 10 Apr 2012, at 18:55, [email protected] wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Gareth,
> > > 
> > > The Xerces XML web pages may already be maintained by ASF-CMS.
> > > This is a front-end to a subversion repository tree that
> > > is used by Infrastructure svnsubpub.
> > > 
> > > If you find that Xerces XML is not using ASF-CMS, then
> > > a svnsubpub registration for those web pages should also
> > > be done.
> > > 
> > > The Xalan XML TLP will need to be migrated to a subversion
> > > directory path and registered with Infrastructure for svnsubpub.
> > > 
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Steven J. Hathaway
> > > Xalan Documentation Project
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > 
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> > Gareth Reakes, CTO         we7 - Great Free Music
> > +44-20-7117-0809                   http://www.we7.com 
> > 
> > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long 
> > plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die 
> > like dogs. There's also a negative side." - Hunter S. Thompson

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