Hi,

I understand Lyx as being a layer over LaTEX. Maybe "just" a GUI. What I
don't like with LaTEX is, by default, it produces document with quite ugly
police, old-style HTML, etc... Every time I open pjal manual, my first
thoughts are: "it's ugly, I don't want to read, looks old, looks like a
thesis"... But typography is just perfect. But not sexy.

About ASCIIDOC, my recent tries tend to show it probably will be too
complicated. Dealing with tables sometime works, sometime won't.

I may give another try with Docbook, being the reference in documentation
writing (with LaTEX). I've found this GUI:
http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/. Works nice, available on all
platforms (java). Docbook also requires some
customization, but we may be able to take one and adapt it to jallib. Ex:
gnome project has its doc written with docbook, we could use their
stylesheets.

Now it may seem a little bit overkill for a project like jallib (like SVN
was overkill ?...). Should we go this way ? I tend to say "yes", but I also
know it won't succeed without agreement of all of us.


Please advise !


Cheers,
Seb
--
Sébastien Lelong
http://www.sirloon.net
http://sirbot.org


2009/8/23 Joep Suijs <[email protected]>

>
> maybe openoffice is an altenative in the way it is open source. ;ynx
> should also be on the list. The pjal doc is written in it. ( gave it a
> try but until now, i find it hard to use and can't find some functions
> (although i can't imagine they are not supported).
> Joep
>
> 2009/8/21, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]>:
> > Hi,
> >
> > OpenOffice could be an option but have the same problem as Word:
> >
> >   1. personal taste: same issue as Word, I don't like triggering a big
> tool
> > just to fix few typos for instance.
> >   2. consistent output: many people (I hope...) will enrich this
> document.
> > How to make sure we'll have the same consistent output with tools like OO
> or
> > Word ? Correctly use styles ? Will this be enough ? Will we be able to
> keep
> > a professional (or high quality) looking documentation ?
> >   3. important point is to be able to put in under SVN so we can see
> > differences between two versions, what's been added in the local copy,
> ...
> > just like code. Word as OO docs are imported as binary format, and SVN
> won't
> > show any diff on it (just an "something has changed..."). How to make
> sure
> > someone didn't change something unexpectidely ?
> >   4. how to (easily) script documentation processing ? When original doc
> > source is in format like LaTEX, Docbook or ASCIIDOC, you can make it
> built,
> > checked and  produce output automatically.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Seb
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I don't understand why not OpenOffice.org doc? It can export also in
> >> HTML/XHTML, PDF, MediaWiki txt, BibTeX, LaTeX 2e and is ported on all
> >> operating systems. It can save also in MS Word format, and many
> >> others.
> >>
> >> ------------------
> >> Vasi (http://moriscanet.blogspot.com)
> >>
> >> On Aug 21, 3:52 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi guys,
> >> >
> >> > You've probably heard about documentation issues these last weeks.
> Toon
> >> and
> >> > Joep started to write a "jalv2 & jallib - an introduction" document.
> As
> >> > a
> >> > Word file. First drafts clearly show interests for this kind of
> >> > documentation, but there are lots of other source of information which
> >> could
> >> > be used to enrich it, like some blog posts.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe it's time to normalize this and provide a common way to produce
> >> this
> >> > kind of documentation. One important aspect is it must be under SVN.
> Not
> >> > only the file, but also the content. SVN should be able to deal with
> >> > documentation as it does for the code, namely documentation should be
> in
> >> > text format. It also shouldn't a pain fixing just a typo, so not
> having
> >> > a
> >> > turn on Word would really make things easier (IMO). Finally, one
> source
> >> (one
> >> > file) must be able to produce different format, like HTML, PDF, ASCII,
> >> > PS
> >> or
> >> > the like. And this whole thing must be scripted, so it's part of the
> >> > development process (hopefully as a quality requirement).
> >> >
> >> > So... this raises the question: "which tool ?". Professional
> >> documentation
> >> > writer, if any here, may help. I'm not a doc write, but used LaTEX,
> >> Docbook
> >> > and ReST a litlle. Recently, I had a look at Asciidoc, and it seems
> >> > quite
> >> a
> >> > nice choice (http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/). It allows to have a
> >> > readable ASCII doc, and produce very nice HTML, XHTML, PDf, etc, ...
> and
> >> > intermediary format like Docbook. Highly configurable too.
> >> >
> >> > Ideally one would write his doc in his format, integrate it to the
> main
> >> book
> >> > ("an introduction") but also upload it to our upcoming jalv2 website.
> >> >
> >> > I think I'll try to convert current Toon&Joep's document and let you
> >> > have
> >> a
> >> > look at the results. In the meantime, if you have suggestions and/or
> >> > objections... (and most importantly, will you agree to invest some
> time
> >> on
> >> > this kind of tool ?)
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Seb
> >> > --
> >> > Sébastien Lelonghttp://www.sirloon.nethttp://sirbot.org
> >> >
> >>
> >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>

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