On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:39 AM, Serdar K. <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Sebastien,
>
> I used 137ESD for a short time, and I can tell that the product you get is
> worth 99USD , because you see the exact temperature on the tip and the
> temperature you have set, with help of a switch, and i think it has a stable
> temperature within 1-2 degrees error band. That is needed for temperature
> control.





> If the control circuit is not digital and contains no measurement, then the
> thermostat is mechanic or at least a wide temperature band & hysteresis one.



The statement above is not quite true. For example the U217 is a zero cross
IC control which keep the iron tip temperature at +/-2C.
http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/26117/TEMIC/U217.html
Has no digital control, nor any any display measurement, but need an
inexpensive temperature sensor like KTY84.
Analog solutions are as good as digital sometimes...
:)

Vasile



> Also the ceramic heater heats and cools fast, i can say.
>
> The stand and general material quality is also good.
>
> The kind of device for 99USD is the best you can get for that price if you
> won't pay more hundreds and get a more professional and complicated hot air
> SMD (de)soldering station. The tip alternatives are also avaliable for 137
> ESD. If you can afford it, i can say you can use it a long time with tip
> changes and buying tips which you can need in time. But if you want a
> cheaper one, of course the $20 one is not bad. It has also a stand and tip
> simple temperature control, i assume.
>
> Of course, all are my thoughts, and there is not only one right choice on
> this matter.
>
> Greetings,
> Serdar
>
> 2010/8/30 Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]>
>
> Hi Serdar, Joep,
>>
>> Thanks for advices, though 99USD or the like for a soldering iron looks
>> expensive... Does it really worth it ? Vasile's suggestion is something
>> closed to 20$, variable temp though no digital thermostat. I've also been
>> suggested this one:
>> http://www.selectronic.fr/article.asp?article_ref_entier=10.1806-9999#,
>> cheap too.
>>
>> What can make such differences in prices ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Seb
>>
>> 2010/8/27 Serdar K. <[email protected]>
>>
>>>  I can tell you that a digital thermostat is cool, and the station type
>>> work can do more for you (with different tips)
>>>
>>> http://www.howardelectronics.com/Xytronic/137ESD.html
>>> and the new version
>>> http://www.howardelectronics.com/Xytronic/LF1600.html
>>>
>>> If you can afford giving 99USD, and can find 137ESD, i guess you can use
>>> it long time if you be careful..
>>> The resistance is ceramic, so you shouldn't drop the iron for its good.
>>>
>>> Temperature control is a must for SMD work.
>>>
>>> There are other ways to do better and easier ( i still couldn't try to do
>>> it, but i have bought the liquid solder from dealextreme). You should take
>>> some time examining the sites deeply :
>>>
>>> http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200006/oven_art.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.homanndesigns.com/SMDToasterOvenProject.html
>>> http://www.homanndesigns.com/oven.pdf
>>>
>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/tutorial_info.php?tutorials_id=59&page=
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.instructables.com/id/Home-reflow-SMD-soldering/
>>> You should go through steps clicking "next". It is a nice resource:
>>>
>>> http://www.instructables.com/id/Extreme-Surface-Mount-Soldering/step2/The-Hot-Plate-Soldering-System/
>>>
>>> 2010/8/27 funlw65 <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> Mine is 25Watt and is good for the little jobs I do...
>>>> All I need is a bunch of "sharp" tips to be able to solder small
>>>> vias...
>>>> A powerful soldering iron ca burn fast your thin tips if you don't
>>>> have a soldering station - I think... I don't have that.
>>>> Also, it can burn fast all the flux before making the joint.
>>>> Too much flux and a powerful soldering iron can float your traces in
>>>> no time. You need to be very skilled to work with it.
>>>>
>>>> Better a super-magnifying glass (monocle or with "leg" support), a
>>>> small solder iron and 0.4, 0.5 mm diameter solder wire. This is what
>>>> it works for me.
>>>>
>>>> Vasi(funlw65)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 27, 4:48 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I don't know, maybe surface solder requires hight temp. ?
>>>> >
>>>> > 2010/8/27 mattschinkel <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > > Is variable temperature really important?
>>>> >
>>>> > > Matt.
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