Danny Angus wrote:
All,
Now that we've had a chance to digest whats meant by a top level project, I'll subject you to my opinion, which I've held back so far.
Basically I'm in favour of proposing james as an apache top level project (tlp), I'm prepared to take the lead on our proposal, and here's why:
James has a small yet mature community, we seldom seek recourse to the jakarta PMC, and equally seldom are we scrutinised by them. We are not the most active project, and I feel that this sometimes causes James to be disregarded. Likewise, apart from Avalon, we have few direct ties with other jakarta projects, and little in common apart from the language/platform and culture (but the culture is Apache)
The tlp issue is more about management than web-site and mail addresses, I don't believe that james.apache.org will bring many benefits, but I do think that normalising our managerial relationship with Jakarta by becoming a sibling rather than a child, and taking official control of all the issues we currently inherit and "interpret" from Jakarta would benefit James. The James PMC would be responsible to The Board.
I do believe that Jakarta is becoming too big to function as a single project, that community and culture become diluted as you descend the heirarchy and that one solution is for mature projects leave the nest. Of course other projects are free to make their own choices but as James consists primarily of the server which is an end-user product I feel that top level project status, emphasisng its purpose rather then its technology, would suit it well.
The proposals being discussed on reorg & community include the notion of federated projects, James, with the approval of the Jakarta PMC, could continue to be associated with Jakarta, I would like to think that we wouldn't be leaving Jakarta, just growing up. I also know that James would continue to rely on Jakarta for code, insight and cool thinking, but we don't need to be a Jakarta sub-project for that.
It would also give us the opportunity, as Serge mentioned, to better promote our sub-projects, theres Mailet, and mailets, and there are the beginings of full blown mailet applications.
So.. we've had time to examine the issues, lets vote..
Should we prepare a proposal for submission to the board, that James be elevated to a top level project?
[ ] +1 I think it's a good idea [ ] +0 I'll accept the majority decision, stop bothering me
[ ] -0 I have reservations [ ] -1, I don't think its a good idea
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