--- In [email protected], Anthony Bryant
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Arian wrote:
>
> > First, a clause. Which of the below clauses would be best to
> > describe, "The missile that exploded":
>
> First point: passive voice ("sareru") requires an outside
> actor to create the event. If you say bakuhatsu sareta,
> you're not saying "it exploded" -- you're saying "it WAS
> exploded" -- someone caused that to happen.
That's correct, but there is one thing I'd like to point out. Some
Japanese say "bakuhatsu sareta", but that doesn't sound quite
right. The word "bakuhatsu (suru)" is a jidoushi, meaning something
explodes (on its own), so it should be "bakuhatsu saserareta"
or "bakuha sareta". "Bakuha" is a tadoushi, meaning you explode
something (e.g. buildings, airplanes, etc.) with a bomb, missile,
etc., so if you want to say something was exploded intentionally by
a bomb, missile, etc., you should use this word.
> > 1. Bakuhatsu sareta tobidôgu
>
> "The missile that WAS EXPLODED (by some outside force)."
The sentence should be "bakuhatsu saserareta (or bakuha sareta)
misairu".
> > 3. Jibun ni bakuhatsu sareta tobidôgu
>
> Jibun *de* bakuhatsu *shita* *misairu* -- "the missile that
> blew up on its own."
It's probably OK to say "jibun de bakuhatsu shita misairu", but I'm
not sure. The word "jibun de" makes it sound like the missile has
its own will and intentions. I think "hitorideni bakuhatsu shita
misairu" is better.
> > 4. Jibun no bakuhatsu shita tobidôgu
>
> Ick.
It's not "jibun no" but "jibun de" ("hitorideni" is better).
> > To express, "The building that was exploded by the missile",
which
> > of the following is better?
> >
> > 1. Tobidôgu ni bakuhatsu sareta tatemono
>
> "The building that WAS EXPLODED by the 'missile'."
In the above sentence, you have to say "bakuha sareta" instead
of "bakuhatsu sareta".
> > 2. Tatemono wo bakuhatsu shita tobidôgu
>
> "The 'missile' that exploded the building."
Again, incorrect word choice. Correctly, "tatemono o bakuha shita
misairu".
> > And to express "The missile that was exploded by a bullet from a
> > gun", which of the following is more appropiate?
> >
> > 1. Tsutsu kara no tama ni bakuhatsu sareta tobidôgu
>
> Jû no tama de bakuhatsu sareta misairu -- the missile that
> was exploded by a gun's bullet.
>
> > 2. Tsutsu kara no tama no bakuhatsu shita tobidôgu
>
> Jû no tama no bakuhatsu shita misairu -- the missile that
> the gun's bullet exploded.
Correctly, "houdan (or taiho no tama) de bakuha sareta misairu".
Kamui
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