--- In [email protected], "kamuininja"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First, "gekibun" isn't the right word for "manifesto", because it
> means a statement issued by agitators. Use "manifesuto"
or "kouyaku-
> sho". These days Japanese politicians and journalists
> use "manifesuto" all the time.>
So, if there were a guerrilla group issuing a formal declaration of
faith or something to that effect, would "gekibun" then apply?
By the way, what is the Japanese word for "guerrilla"?
> Second, the word "dare" doesn't go along well with "kudasatta"
> (not "kudatta"). Honorific verbs should be used together with
> honorific nouns (in this case, "donata").>
I am not too familiar with honorifics beyond the "teineigo"
level. "Sonkeigo" is foreign to me at the moment.
> The above sentence should be corrected as follows:
> -Sono manifesuto wa donata ga kudasatta no desu ka.
Would there be also another question pronoun using "kata" for a
person? I know of "anatagata", but not much else.
> This sentence is grammatically correct, but totally unnatural.
You
> have to use "kureta" insted of "ageta".
>
> -Sono manifesuto wa dare ga kureta no ka?>
Then we are saying that someone unknown gave us the manifesto. Now,
if the Emperor, for example, were to give us the manifesto, what
would change in the sentence?
> This sounds very rude, so you should say "Sono manifesuto wa dare
ga kureta no?" or more politely "Sono manifesuto wa dare ga kureta
no desuka." >
If I were the one to receive the manifesto, yes.
Now, if someone else, unrelated to me, received the manifesto and I
am asking about who gave them the manifesto (while assuming that
some unknown person gave it to them), would using "ageru" be
appropiate?
The use of "ageta" to refer to an action received by 1st person is
taboo, I suppose. I remember reading Andrew Horvat's "Japanese
Beyond Words" and seeing this fact mentioned. I was also told that
the use of "ageru" as an auxiliary when referring to an out-bound
favor can sound rather "pushy". Is this true?
> > 4. Sono gekibun wa dare ga itadaita ka?
>
> Again, grammatically correct but very unnatural. The natural way
to
> say this is:
>
> -Sono manifesuto wa dare ga moratta no (desu ka)?>
Here I was assuming that someone from higher up the social ladder
presented the manifesto. Would this construction still apply? If my
memory is correct, "itadaku" is a verb used to refer to something
like, let's say, a lord handing his vassal the documents to a tract
of land.
> > 6. Sono gekibun wa dare ga uketotta ka?
>
> This one is OK (except for "gekibun" and the use of "ka").>
"Ka" is no necessary here? Why would that be the case?
> You can't use "sonaeta" in this sentence.>
Why would "sonaeru" be inappropiate here? I suppose this would be
out of the scope of human relations. "Sonaeru" is to offer something
as an act of worship, is it not? ITC only a spirit or something like
that would be the one to say such a sentence.
> > 8. Sono gekibun wa dare ga sashiageta ka?
>
> OK, but the comment on Sentence 2 applies here too.
>
> Kamui>
See my comment in reply to sentence #2. "Sashiageru" is more polite
than just "ageru", is it not?
- Arian I.
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