Thanks Robert, At what point would this whole subject be better served on the dev list? I've been a bit confused about that in the past (on the similar named Solr lists)
Mark -- Mark Bennett / New Idea Engineering, Inc. / mbenn...@ideaeng.com Direct: 408-733-0387 / Main: 866-IDEA-ENG / Cell: 408-829-6513 On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Robert Muir <rcm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Mark, > > If he agrees, maybe you can bring this up on the java-dev list? > I think other lucene developers could assist to make sure we do the proper > procedures with minimal hassle. > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Mark Bennett <mbenn...@ideaeng.com> wrote: > > > I have emailed one of the authors. I have also asked about the other > > authors and the other packages you mentioned. > > > > What is the procedure for him, assuming he agrees? Does he have to sign > > physical paper, or can this be done electronically? > > > > Also, I suspect he doesn't reside in the US, I don't know what > > ramifications > > it has. I'm trying to minimize the "hassle" factor for him. > > > > -- > > Mark Bennett / New Idea Engineering, Inc. / mbenn...@ideaeng.com > > Direct: 408-733-0387 / Main: 866-IDEA-ENG / Cell: 408-829-6513 > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Robert Muir <rcm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > if he is ok with it i think we need to setup a software grant, etc > > > > > > in my opinion though, this would be a great thing feature to have in > > > lucene. > > > (we have similar support for chinese now, but no japanese) > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Mark Bennett <mbenn...@ideaeng.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > I'll ask the author. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Bennett / New Idea Engineering, Inc. / mbenn...@ideaeng.com > > > > Direct: 408-733-0387 / Main: 866-IDEA-ENG / Cell: 408-829-6513 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Robert Muir <rcm...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > > > > > I think apache 2.0 would be easiest. But I think BSD also works. > > > > > Its a little strange Sen is LGPL when the underlying dictionaries, > > > > chasen, > > > > > mecab (what it was ported from), all BSD/bsd-like. > > > > > or they are multi-licensed with BSD being one of them. > > > > > > > > > > I also agree and hear you about how the glue code is broken, but in > > my > > > > > opinion if the sen + glue code could be imported into lucene > > > > > under one package, it would be easiest to maintain. this way it > > > wouldn't > > > > > become broken again. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Mark Bennett <mbenn...@ideaeng.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Robert, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for helping sort through this, and for the Wiki link. > > > > > > > > > > > > A few thoughts here: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1: I think the author will change the license if I ask, he's been > > > very > > > > > > supportive (though seems to be working on other things these > days). > > > > > > > > > > > > If you ran the Universe, which specific license would you like > > to > > > > see > > > > > > SEN converted to? > > > > > > To me the BSD license is the nicest, as I perceive it as > having > > > the > > > > > > fewest restrictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2: It's the glue layer that is currently broken (and under the > > > correct > > > > > > license). > > > > > > The revised code needs a good home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'd like to eventually get core SEN in here, it is > not > > > > > > currently broken. > > > > > > The unmodified ZIP can bed downloaded as-is and used (albeit > > with > > > a > > > > > > couple manual steps) > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess an analogy: > > > > > > I might want to use an open source JDBC driver to access a > > > > commercial > > > > > > database. > > > > > > But the commercial database itself is not open source. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3: The source dictionaries are under yet another license, BUT > they > > > are > > > > > > downloaded by build.xml > > > > > > and not shipped with either ZIP file. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm surprised that GPL and LGPL are incompatible with these the > > > Lucene > > > > > > projects. Is there any discussion between the two camps to > address > > > > this? > > > > > > Seems like we're all "on the same side". Open Source License > > > > > > Incompatibility Issues, hm... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Mark Bennett / New Idea Engineering, Inc. / mbenn...@ideaeng.com > > > > > > Direct: 408-733-0387 / Main: 866-IDEA-ENG / Cell: 408-829-6513 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Robert Muir <rcm...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark, I think my concern is that Sen itself is LGPL ( > > > > > > > https://sen.dev.java.net/). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lucene-ja is just a lucene interface to this LGPL library. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this dependency might be a problem, but I am not the > > > expert: > > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mark Bennett < > > mbenn...@ideaeng.com > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Robert, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Robert Muir < > rcm...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark, has there been any change to the LGPL dependency? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Mark Bennett < > > > > mbenn...@ideaeng.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only code I'm modifying at the moment is the lucene-ja > > > section, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the integration between core SEN and Lucene. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a sample at the top of one of the lucene-ja files. > > Would > > > > > these > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to be changed? If so, believe the author would. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /** > > > > > > > > * Copyright 2004 The Apache Software Foundation > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > * Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the > > > "License"); > > > > > > > > * you may not use this file except in compliance with the > > > License. > > > > > > > > * You may obtain a copy of the License at > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > * http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > * Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, > > > > > software > > > > > > > > * distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" > > > > BASIS, > > > > > > > > * WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either > express > > > or > > > > > > > implied. > > > > > > > > * See the License for the specific language governing > > > permissions > > > > > and > > > > > > > > * limitations under the License. > > > > > > > > */ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SEN library is LGPL, though I can't find file I got that > > from > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Robert Muir > > > > > > > rcm...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Robert Muir > > > > > rcm...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Robert Muir > > > rcm...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > Robert Muir > rcm...@gmail.com >
