Has anyone looked at scala and lift? And, these are scripting languages within
java frameworks. Wouldn`t Velocity vm templates fit into this with servlets? or
struts2 spring if they haven't been discussed already?
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:16:13 -0700
> Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: The Top 3 Java based web frameworks
> From: phil.swen...@gmail.com
> To: javaposse@googlegroups.com
>
>
> ya, depends on what you are doing. If java language integration is
> the most important thing to you, groovy beats ruby presently. else
> Ruby
>
> On Sep 27, 8:31 pm, Raphael M <raphaelmira...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Grails and Wicket for me.
> >
> > Everything that Phil said about groovy is right. But the Grails being
> > a copy of Rails is a great underestimation of Grails.
> > It is a copy in the sense that most features are copied, specially
> > developer ergonomics coming first together with convention over
> > configuration, simplicity, smarter/useful defaults etc.
> > But all the similarities mask how much they are different.
> >
> > Grails core intention is to make working with a java stack as easy as
> > working with a single full-stack framework like Rails.
> > The biggest attractive is that it's java all the way down(for better
> > or for worst).
> >
> > Saying Grails and JRoR are exchangeable is like saying Rails and
> > Djando are exchangeable.
> >
> > On Sep 26, 12:53 pm, phil swenson <phil.swen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > As I've written before... THe deal with Groovy is I spent a year solid
> > > doing nothing but Ruby. Then I spent significant time with Groovy
> > > (still do for the day job). I've found Groovy to look good on paper,
> > > but has a lot of warts. It's kind of a hybrid language with Java,
> > > which has some positives, but there is a lot of baggage that goes
> > > along with java. Like monster stack dumps, lousy APIs based on Java
> > > APIs instead of clean slate, awkward access to many of the cool
> > > features, crap like getting the lame java array to string behavior,
> > > bizarre access to the command line calls.... just a lot of little
> > > stuff that adds up. If I'd never used Ruby before Groovy, I'd
> > > probably be more accepting of the warts. And let's be honest, Grails
> > > is a copy of Rails. And still doesn't have database migrations, which
> > > is one of my favorite rails features. The innovation rate in the Ruby
> > > community seems a lot faster than the Groovy community to me as well,
> > > so I'd rather be there.
> >
> > > So obviously, if I'm going non-Java lang I would go JRuby on Rails.
> > > I'm personally curious if there are any decent Java (the lang) web
> > > frameworks out there - there are so many there has to be a handful of
> > > good ones. Wicket has been mentioned a lot - what specifically is good
> > > about it? Same with spring. These were the 2 I had been thinking
> > > about before this thread popped up.
> >
> > > On Sep 25, 8:20 pm, Steven Herod <steven.he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > And don't say Grails please, as I might as well just use JRuby on
> > > > > Rails.... just wondering if there is a good java web framework out
> > > > > there that is as rails-like as java can get?
> >
> > > > Actually, having done Grails and Rails (JRuby and Ruby), I'd still do
> > > > a Grails app over JRuby on Rails.
> >
> > > > Main reason is deployment, I've run into a few native extensions in
> > > > Ruby that don't work in JRuby and its just annoying in that regard.
> >
> > > > I basically stopped paying attention to Java Web frameworks after
> > > > discovering Grails, although I'm still looking for something that
> > > > makes the whole forms based data collection side of things completely
> > > > painless.
> >
> > > > ExtJS is good if you can deal with the JavaScript, A ExtGWT is a bit
> > > > more painful - it's not 'GWT with prettier controls' as I first
> > > > thought.
> >
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