Oh, I apologize, I meant this: "The free market economic model is a lousy one, but it is the best by far." <---- That sentence doesn't make sense.
Connecting free markets with patents (artificial constraints) doesn't make sense. Because I'm going out on a limb here and think it's "free" as in freedom and not in beer? This will be a veeeery long discussion, but let's agree on that we got the wheel, the fire, the agriculture and roads and clothes and a lot more without any patents. So, saying that patents are needed to fuel innovation is simply not true. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Scott Melton <scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com>wrote: > All of those sentences make sense to me... Maybe my wording isn't clear, > sorry, I AM an engineer... > > I think I understand what you meant, but (in my opinion) it is not "the > very purpose of patent law to reduce freedom in the market". I hope it is > not even A purpose in a free market model. > > An unintended(hopefully) consequence of patent law is to reduce some > freedom in a limited fashion for some people for a limited period of time > with the intended purpose of rewarding innovators and preserving the concept > of personal ownership. That would be my "rose colored glasses" way of > looking at this complex problem/solution. > > I know very little about patent laws or their effect on any business model > and did not intend on joining the discussion. I just wanted to point out a > post that I thought was unpleasant and to encourage people to air their > opinion, biased or not. I threw in an opinion to not be completely off > topic. > > Please, you folks that know something about this issue, carry on. > > --- On *Thu, 4/8/10, Viktor Klang <viktor.kl...@gmail.com>* wrote: > > > From: Viktor Klang <viktor.kl...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Software Patents and Joe bashing > To: javaposse@googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 11:58 AM > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Scott Melton > <scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> Not knowing much about anyone making the decisions(other than they are >> human, most of them), simply greedy, applied to this complex problem, would >> be an over simplification. A component of the problem? Sure. >> >> Assuming they are more knowledgeable about patent law than I am is a >> given. I can only hope that the process involves experts in the field they >> are ruling over with some system of checks and balances. A false hope maybe. >> If so then that is part of the process that is broken. >> >> The free market economic model is a lousy one, but it is the best by far. > > > That sentence doesn't make sense. The very purpose of patent law is to > reduce freedom in the market. > A patent is a virtual monopoly, reducing manufacturing competition and > process efficiency. > > >> Government intrusion on this model is a rarely helpful yet necessary >> weevil. Caution should be to limit it where ever possible. >> >> >> >> >> >> Opinion sent from my ASS phone. >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/8/10, Mark Volkmann >> <r.mark.volkm...@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=r.mark.volkm...@gmail.com> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Mark Volkmann >> <r.mark.volkm...@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=r.mark.volkm...@gmail.com> >> > >> Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Software Patents and Joe bashing >> To: >> javaposse@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=javapo...@googlegroups.com> >> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 10:49 AM >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Scott Melton < >> scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> In a free and open society it is easy to find fault in complicated >>> systems, just as it is easy to have a bias, pick sides and misrepresent the >>> facts. One example in this thread, I may be wrong, but I think there is good >>> reason for simplifying the patent granting process from who invented it >>> first(which can be very difficult and costly to prove) to who filed first. >>> Is the change a choice between the lesser of two weavels? Certainly. >>> Infinitely more knowledgeable people than I made the decision. I will side >>> with them until I become a patent lawyer or become so well informed that I >>> can pass judgment on this complicated system. >> >> >> Why do you assume the people responsible for our current patent system are >> more knowledgeable than you rather than simply more greedy? >> >> -- >> R. 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