Your point is well taken. I just wanted to give another view. Personally I think the language has been idle for too long, has too much baggage, and needs a good cleaning and revitalization. I'm guessing Groovy and Scala are going to do that though.
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Casper Bang <casper.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > 6 years. What I am trying to point out though, is that this "standard" > by now is more of a comfort thing than anything else. Eclipse/NetBeans/ > Idea/JDeveloper, JDBC/JDBCtemplate/Hibernate/JPA/iBatis, Log4J/Apache > commons logging/java.util.Logging/SLF4J, JSP/Tapestry/SpringMVC/GWT/ > Wicket/JSF/Struts/Stripes/Click... you get where I am going. Java the > language and core API might be a standard, but you won't get far with > that today. I.e. lately Spring seems to seep in everywhere and > honestly that's one giant source of complexity and XML config I could > easily be without. > > On Jul 24, 7:41 pm, Robert Casto <casto.rob...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Managers love standards because it makes developers interchangeable. Try > > finding good Python, Perl, Scala, or Groovy developers compared to Java. > > People come and go but the code must be maintained. That means keeping > the > > learning curve from getting too steep. > > > > I'm not saying I like it. Just that this is why they love standards. It > is > > for productivity of new members that this is done, not for the current > > developers. What is the longest someone here has been at one company > anyway? > > That might provide some insight on why big companies don't like these new > > languages. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Casper Bang <casper.b...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Java is so much more complex and unproductive compared to a language > > > > like Python. > > > > > And then there's the choice issue, the hardest thing about doing stuff > > > in Java is to find the right pieces to use, and learn how to use them > > > - since you don't get far beyond college tutorials with just vanilla > > > Java. I'd personally not use Java either, but it's a standard and > > > managers loves standards more than productivity. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Robert Castowww.IWantFreeShipping.com > > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- Robert Casto www.IWantFreeShipping.com Find Amazon Filler Items easily! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
