Acting as a patent troll is a bit worse than anyone expected though - if they had a legitimate way to attack android then fine - patents are not it though.
Also - there is a general view that this if anything could even hurt oracle in the medium long term, so it *seems* foolish from all angles (but who knows). On Aug 18, 12:28 pm, Sean Comerford <sean.c.comerf...@gmail.com> wrote: > The big thing I keep seeing in all this "concern about Oracle" is that > people continually forget or ignore WHY Sun and Java is now owned by Oracle: > Sun focused on the wrong things (including being OVERLY concerned with the > community) which led to them losing money year after year after year > basically from 2001 til the end. > > And like it or not, companies exist to make money (which benefits us by > allowing us to get paid to work for them). > > So yes, Oracle is going to change some stuff.... and in fact they MUST > change the things that made Sun non-profitable. > > And unfortunately the things that make companies profitable are not always > "community" friendly. We as engineers love "open source" b/c it means our > projects are more profitable and we look like heroes which leads to big > raises + bonuses. But there wasn't much profit in that model for Sun and > Oracle is smart enough to know there won't be for them either. > > As far as the JDK lawsuit, like most things in life, I suspect the truth > will end being somewhere in the middle (part money grab by Oracle, part > legitimate beef against bastardization of technology they paid a fortune to > acquire). But I seem to recall Sun suing a company several years back on > similar grounds... and in that case there was no community angst b/c the > target of the suit was everyone's favorite "evil software tycoon" Micro$oft. > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Fabrizio Giudici < > > > > fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > On 8/17/10 23:14 , Kirk wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I've been talking to people in Oracle that are very concerned about > > > all the wild speculation that has been running through the > > > community. And while I can't give details, I can say they feel that > > > the conclusions don't match what they are doing however they are > > > also still not in a position that they can speak publicly. That > > > said, there is some meaningful information coming out. While they > > > can't comment on the Google situation, they have commented on > > > OpenJDK that I think can be passed along to a more public forum. > > > I've been told that they are considering merging JRockit and the > > > Sun JVM in some meaningful way. The merged projects would be > > > contributed back to OpenJDK. So I think this signals quite a > > > commitment to OpenJDK. I've been told, expect details and loads of > > > information at JavaONE. I've also been told that they intend to be > > > more active in giving the community information possibly sooner > > > than JavaONE. It is quite possible that you'll hear something from > > > Oracle right here. > > > > I'd like to say, lets not rush to judgement, lets sit back and give > > > Oracle a bit more time to get the pieces together. However I do > > > believe that this group along with others that have so harshly > > > criticized Oracle is actually helping those inside Oracle that do > > > understand the 15 years of traditions and culture in the Java > > > community educate those inside Oracle that would rather do things > > > they way that Oracle has always done things. This has been a > > > dreadfully difficult merger both from a business point of view as > > > well as a cultural point of view. No other take over has ever > > > combined all of the dynamics present here. I think it's been quite > > > a shock for everyone involved and everyone is still trying to > > > grapple with the magnitude of the undertaking. It is understandable > > > that mistakes have been made and are still waiting to be made. That > > > said, my conversations were all positive and I think the new guard > > > is winning. > > If you can post to your blog these impressions of yours, I think you'd > > do a big favor to everybody - just to give some authoritative "stay > > cool" message to the community... > > > - -- > > Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager > > Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. 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