On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 6:46:05 PM UTC+2, phil swenson wrote:
>
> I remember being very disappointed when I first looked at Java for 
> writing desktop UIs.  It was a huge step backwards from all the 
> lessons learned from Delphi and VB in the 90s.  No properties, no 
> events,  layout hell, overly complicated APIs. 
>

And yet, the hardcore Java developer will defend it vigorously.

It's like the engineers at Sun didn't even look at what others had done. 
>

Sun spearheaded the NIH virus.
 

> It's 2012 and it's still much faster and easier to write a client in 
> Delphi circa 1997 than Java Swing. 

I can't comment on JavaFX of course, never looked at it. 
>

They've got one idea right; declarative expression tree modelling (top-down 
rather than bottom-up). However, I believe it's limited to the UI and that 
quicky made JavaFX utterly useless and a waste of time for me. Fantom and 
Ceylon are examples of the same line of though, taken a bit further into 
general purpose. It seems pretty obvious to me that we are going to need 
strong hierarchical modelling constructs, most everything we do revolve 
around trees.


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