Salary might not be a big problem but if I can earn 4 or 5 times as much as a programmer what I can as a teacher it's hard to take that kind of drop even if I would enjoy teaching more than programming (I don't). That means you'll rarely get people from the upper half of the programming population going into teaching, which keeps teaching quality low. On May 24, 2012 12:55 PM, "clay" <claytonw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I'm definitely not advocating reducing teacher job satisfaction. I > disagree that salary is the major issue. > > I've been heavily involved in problem schools with very high turnover and > I've listened extensively to these teachers vent their frustrations. None > of them mentioned salary. All of them mentioned frustration with obnoxious > students and how little power they had over their own classrooms and how > much pressure there was from management to raise math/reading test scores > and reduce disciplinary statistics. > > In the nicer neighborhoods, the schools get much higher test scores, > student behavior problems are much less severe, the teachers seem happy to > be there, there is very low teacher turnover, there are far more people who > want to get jobs teaching there than there are available teaching > positions, and I don't see much evidence that salary is a major problem. > > Now, we have completely left the original topic of programmer education. > > On Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:05:11 AM UTC-5, KWright wrote: > >> Systematically ripping away the job satisfaction of teaching with even >> more red tape is really not the solution - it's a job that many do because >> they believe in it, and not simply for financial renumeration. Having said >> that, salaries are also so low that they've become a hygiene factor and are >> driving people away from the profession. >> >> Given the way I've seen some parents behave with (lack of) respect to >> teachers, it also wouldn't hurt if we were to teach those families as well; >> pushy and belligerent parents are yet another hygiene factor. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Java Posse" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/javaposse/-/eYSiBylqCi4J. > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
